Originally posted by jinzin
Indeed.
Great display for both characters too. IMO they both looks bad ass without either having to job.
I still do not think that fight showed that psylock is above gorgon. Is there any other fights involving her that shows that she could probably beat him because the only reason wolverine even got a lick off of gorgon was because he ambushed him. I agree though... when I first read that fight, I thought of it as one of th bset as well.
Psylocke was out reacting Rogue during training session when Rogue was power stacking and had the speed of Quick silver and her Ms. Marvel Strength...
Psylocke explained her TK powers and mind allows her to have the strength to fight her h2h and speed up her own reflexes..
Psylocke by virtue of power alone and her MA training puts her above Gorgon. combat wise and power wise.
I honestly do not. I dropped off the comic scene for so long I had no idea about that book when it got posted tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
I still do not think that fight showed that psylock is above gorgon. Is there any other fights involving her that shows that she could probably beat him because the only reason wolverine even got a lick off of gorgon was because he ambushed him. I agree though... when I first read that fight, I thought of it as one of th bset as well.
How? 😕
Wolverine's ambush got turned around on him. I honestly don't think there's much reason to believe that Gorgon was greatly hindered by what they attempted to do to him during the ambush.
They were both ****ed up by the time the melee went underway and Wolverine was still missing half of his soul during that fight. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
I honestly do not. I dropped off the comic scene for so long I had no idea about that book when it got posted tbh.How? 😕
Wolverine's ambush got turned around on him. I honestly don't think there's much reason to believe that Gorgon was greatly hindered by what they attempted to do to him during the ambush.
They were both ****ed up by the time the melee went underway and Wolverine was still missing half of his soul during that fight. 😬
I know it got turned around on him but it was one of the main reasons he was able to even touch gorgon. He got in "extremely" close which hindered gorgon from being able to use his speed.
Are you saying that wolverine would have fared better if he wasn't missing his soul? Missing his soul didn't take away from his physical stats, it only took away from his healing factor. The only thing that would have changed with having his soul is gorgon taking a much longer time at pounding him to sleep.
Originally posted by King Castle
Psylocke was out reacting Rogue during training session when Rogue was power stacking and had the speed of Quick silver and her Ms. Marvel Strength...Psylocke explained her TK powers and mind allows her to have the strength to fight her h2h and speed up her own reflexes..
Psylocke by virtue of power alone and her MA training puts her above Gorgon. combat wise and power wise.
I know of the rogue fight and honestly, I don't know but is that even canon?
Originally posted by carver9
I know it got turned around on him but it was one of the main reasons he was able to even touch gorgon. He got in "extremely" close which hindered gorgon from being able to use his speed.
The second time they confronted one another they were 5 feet away from eachother both standing up at the same time. Wolverine was able to land shots, and it wasn't because of distance. He was just that fast.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you saying that wolverine would have fared better if he wasn't missing his soul? Missing his soul didn't take away from his physical stats, it only took away from his healing factor. The only thing that would have changed with having his soul is gorgon taking a much longer time at pounding him to sleep.
You're wrong. Azrael said that missing half of his soul made him weaker in a fight. Making Logan weaker was the whole point, so Shogun could kill him. 😬
Going by your logic, it would mean that Wolverine with his soul intact is faster than freakin Gorgon, uses Hand ninja evasive maneuvers and "cheats like Sabretooth".
Yeah, sure. Shogun was a magical construct, that's it. Hand's dark magic makes guys faster, deadlier. That's what they do.
"LOL look at what 10% Wolverine can do" - retarded, that's what it is.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWno.. just that it appears Logan is not fighting at his full potential for whatever reason it may be.
Going by your logic, it would mean that Wolverine with his soul intact is faster than freakin Gorgon, uses Hand ninja evasive maneuvers and "cheats like Sabretooth".Yeah, sure. Shogun was a magical construct, that's it. Hand's dark magic makes guys faster, deadlier. That's what they do.
"LOL look at what 10% Wolverine can do" - retarded, that's what it is.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Going by your logic, it would mean that Wolverine with his soul intact is faster than freakin Gorgon, uses Hand ninja evasive maneuvers and "cheats like Sabretooth".Yeah, sure. Shogun was a magical construct, that's it. Hand's dark magic makes guys faster, deadlier. That's what they do.
"LOL look at what 10% Wolverine can do" - retarded, that's what it is.
Why wouldn't Wolverine "cheat like Sabretooth"?
Why wouldn't he "move like the hand"?
Those attributes are both part of his character AND skillset.
Wolverine was weaker in some ways throughout the entire run of EOTS so it isn't as simple as "The hand makes you stronger" because where his fighting skill was concerned, they didn't. Strength? no. Speed? no.
The Hand usually does not strip characters of half their soul. It usually isn't a plot point worth discussion that they're "weaker" after resurrection, but it was with Wolverine... Which actually makes sense.. You think a full strength Wolverine couldn't fight off the mind control implicated by Hydra? Seems a stretch.
As for his speed, outside of that arc Wolverine's feats of speed are quite comparible to Gorgons. *shrug*
Originally posted by jinzin
Why wouldn't Wolverine "cheat like Sabretooth"?
Not his style. Although kicking guys in the nuts ain't nothing new for him, that much is true.
Originally posted by jinzin
Why wouldn't he "move like the hand"?
Cause he's got better moves.
Originally posted by jinzin
Those attributes are both part of his character AND skillset.Wolverine was weaker in some ways throughout the entire run of EOTS so it isn't as simple as "The hand makes you stronger" because where his fighting skill was concerned, they didn't. Strength? no. Speed? no.
The Hand usually does not strip characters of half their soul. It usually isn't a plot point worth discussion that they're "weaker" after resurrection, but it was with Wolverine... Which actually makes sense.. You think a full strength Wolverine couldn't fight off the mind control implicated by Hydra? Seems a stretch.
As for his speed, outside of that arc Wolverine's feats of speed are quite comparible to Gorgons. *shrug*
What ways? According to Guggenheim only his fighting skill and willpower were decreased. What I meant was that Hand's magic made Shogun as formidable as it was.
Again, I'm not denying that he was weaker. It's just that I don't believe that nothing more than a fraction of his soul can make a trash can that dangerous.
He's got tons of appearances, that is why. He never speedblitzed Elektra though 😛
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not his style. Although kicking guys in the nuts ain't nothing new for him, that much is true.
So then... he cheats like Sabretooth at times.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cause he's got better moves.
Meh, I think you're reading into the statement a bit too much. It's probable that the only thing he was trying to convey was that Shogun was ninja skilled.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What ways? According to Guggenheim only his fighting skill and willpower were decreased. What I meant was that Hand's magic made Shogun as formidable as it was.Again, I'm not denying that he was weaker. It's just that I don't believe that nothing more than a fraction of his soul can make a trash can that dangerous.
He's got tons of appearances, that is why. He never speedblitzed Elektra though 😛
I don't think that Wolverine got some insane boost in his speed or strength after getting his soul back, but it was made pretty clear that his missing soul was affecting him on the battlefield.
Meh a fraction of Wolverine's soul is still probably more dangerous than most people who are stuck in or approach the 2nd skill tier level.
Elektra; Give Logan some ridiculous TP that bypasses TP blocks and that might change.