Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I mean, technically The Silver Surfer can manipulate matter and energy akin to Molecule Man, but not on the same level as him.
I disagree. on panel evidence says otherwise 😛
http://img5.imageshack.us/i/77299079.jpg/
Surfer >>>=molecule man as proven on panel.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I disagree. on panel evidence says otherwise 😛
http://img5.imageshack.us/i/77299079.jpg/
Surfer >>>=molecule man as proven on panel.
😉
Originally posted by leonidaswell if we are going to talk about potential, then firestorm has an infinite well of energy in which to draw from [ie. the FS-matrix.] *shrug*
😬if you want to talk about what an omega is SUPPOSED to ultimately be capable of, then maybe mr.m can one day match owen. but as they stand mr.m never showed anywhere CLOSE to the scope of owen's power level and FS is even further behind imo.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishright, and he's also been practically mind raped by iron man's tech, and owned/killed by the MoD. none
Even Post Retcon, he and the Beyonder fought in a battle that warped things across the Multiverse...
Originally posted by Galan007
well if we are going to talk about potential, then firestorm has an infinite well of energy in which to draw from [ie. the FS-matrix.] *shrug*right, and he's also been practically mind raped by iron man's tech, and owned/killed by the MoD. none
Was the Iron Man tech thing when Tony wiped his identity from a bunch of villains minds? Or something to that effect
And the MoD thing was a) in Millars Old Man Logan Future where Iceman died from being beheaded and Jubilee fought a blood lusted Wolverine for far longer than the rest of the X men. Suffice to say power levels in that future can hardly be compared to the main 616.
b) All we saw was his body amongst a pile of villains, no fight or anything. That barely counts as an appearance , yet alone a low showing...
Originally posted by Galan007
well if we are going to talk about potential, then firestorm has an infinite well of energy in which to draw from [ie. the FS-matrix.] *shrug*
that's different. does FS have the ability to actually learn to utilize all that power, or is it just available to him? i thought he was limited by his humanity or something, had to pick and choose his abilities (sort of) so as not to overload himself (for lack of a better term.)
an omega is (theoretically) capable of evolving to the point where they are capable of using nearly infinite power. potentially. in theory. so they say . . . 😕
wow. that's a very decisive post. 😐
Originally posted by leonidasjudging by the professor's statements/point of view, i think he was more concerned with jason losing his humanity, than anything else. i mean, both he and ronnie had essentially lost touch with the 'material world' when their powers began to grow, and the good professor didn't want jason to have to go through that.
that's different. does FS have the ability to actually learn to utilize all that power, or is it just available to him? i thought he was limited by his humanity or something, had to pick and choose his abilities (sort of) so as not to overload himself (for lack of a better term.)
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishWas the Iron Man tech thing when Tony wiped his identity from a bunch of villains minds? Or something to that effect
Other than Iron Man's comic making a statement concerning this comedy,
there's no proof of any kind that that's an actual fact,
since this supposed "mind rape" never took place on panel,
has not been confirmed in any other issue,
and is not mentioned in Tony's or Owen's new 09' Handbook bios.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishAnd the MoD thing was a) in Millars Old Man Logan Future where Iceman died from being beheaded and Jubilee fought a blood lusted Wolverine for far longer than the rest of the X men. Suffice to say power levels in that future can hardly be compared to the main 616.
b) All we saw was his body amongst a pile of villains, no fight or anything. That barely counts as an appearance , yet alone a low showing...
In 616, Post-MM (Owen Reece)
was called one of the most powerful beings in the Omniverse
by the LT himself.
Owen was able to easily rip out the essence of Kosmos,
from an astronomical distance away,
when Owen battle the essence of Kosmos (Beyonder)
reality withIN realities across the Omniverse was warped,
literally stated to be from the "quatum to the trans-Multiversal"
incredible.
Owen even stated that "ripping Galaxies apart was easy stuff" ... 🙂
So, when I see a writer suggesting that Tony affected this beast in any way,
with his human tech, I gotta laugh,
it's not like this is Doom or Reed,
who get a pass with any exaggeration they display.
Originally posted by Mr Masterright. despite owen's name being specifically mentioned, and his character specifically shown, i guess tony was lying to us. afterall, it wasn't mentioned in more than one issue - thus, it must not be canonical.
LOL! at the thought og Tony's tech doing anything to Owen.Other than Iron Man's comic making a statement concerning this comedy,
there's no proof of any kind that that's an actual fact,
since this supposed "mind rape" never took place on panel,
has not been confirmed in any other issue,
and is not mentioned in Tony's or Owen's new 09' Handbook bios.
none
Originally posted by Galan007
right. despite owen's name being specifically mentioned, and his character specifically shown, i guess tony was lying to us. afterall, it wasn't mentioned in more than one issue - thus, it must not be canonical.none
Hey Galan, i have some snake oil that I guarantee will cure all that ails you.
Do you believe me?
It doesn't help when what's said contradicts everything else that's been written about said character. Clinging to one small showing as proof that a character isn't as powerful as people say he is when the rest of his showings disagree is even more laughable.
Stop being sour grapes children.
Oh, and Galan, do you believe me now?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33It doesn't help when what's said contradicts everything else that's been written about said character. Clinging to one small showing as proof that a character isn't as powerful as people say he is when the rest of his showings disagree is even more laughable.
Precisely.
Yea, the LT stating that Owen is one of the most powerful beings in the Omniverse,
is not to be believed.
Yea, Owen separating the essense of a Cube being (actual showing not just bull shit talk)
from an astronomical distance,
is not to be believed.
Yea, the Time Variance Authority (Omniversal Timline repairing crew)
complaining about Owen because he rearranged reality withIN realities across the Omniverse
(again, actual showing not just bull shit talk)
is not to be believed.
But a single claim by Tony in his own book (with NO showing of any kind)
is what counts.
😐
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33can you show me proof of post retcon owen having some type of immunity to mind-related attacks? y'all seem to be focusing solely on his personal power, forgetting that he was picked apart mentally (via a cyberprogram) - and not in the area of raw power.
It doesn't help when what's said contradicts everything else that's been written about said character. Clinging to one small showing as proof that a character isn't as powerful as people say he is when the rest of his showings disagree is even more laughable.
Originally posted by Galan007can you show me proof of post retcon owen having some type of immunity to mind-related attacks? y'all seem to be focusing solely on his personal power,
forgetting that he was picked apart mentally (via a cyberprogram) - [b]and not in the area of raw power. [/B]
Or is this claim based on that single verbal claim withIN the Iron Man book?
Even if it did happen, (although there's no on panel depiction of it happening)
we don't know the circumstances of how it happened,
or like ... why it happened.
For all we know Owen allowed that shit ... or even helped it along,
just like he allowed himself to be imprisoned
due to depression after losing his love Marsha.
Bottomline:
It makes no sense, that a being the LT claimed
was one of the most powerful in the Omniverse,
easily extracted the essence of Kosmos from a ridiculous distance away
& rearranged reality across the realities of the Omniverse,
can possibly fall victim to Tony's freakin tech.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33👇
Regardless, this event never takes place since Ben woke Clyde before he was suppose to have killed MM.
If that were the case, the MOD would have simply ceased to be. If that were the case, there would have been no need for Clyde and the MOD's final battle, because there would have been no MOD. Because that was certainly not the case, we can logically assume all things still happened as were displayed (inc. MOD's owning of MM.)
Originally posted by Mr MasterIIRC, Tony used his cyber program to wipe the specific memory of his secret identity from all the villains who knew it (MM was clearly shown amongst them.) So IF we are for some reason assuming Owen allowed his mind to be tampered with, then we must also assume every one of the other villains allowed their minds to be tampered with. Though that notion may sound ridiculous, we have to be fair.... Right?
Can you show me proof of post retcon Owen
getting picked apart by any cyberprogram of any kind?Or is this claim based on that single verbal claim withIN the Iron Man book?
Even if it did happen, (although there's no on panel depiction of it happening)
we don't know the circumstances of how it happened,
or like ... why it happened.
But I'm not arguing with your stance, because now I can forget darn near every low feat my character has, because most of them weren't shown or mentioned more than once. So.... Thanks! 🙂
