he consumed celestials in a non-canon setting. this g is NOT equal to eternity--not even close imo. and he doesn't replenish via ambient cosmic energy--or at least not enough since he needs to devour planets to replenish his source. after each one comes into the gauntlet, g will lose more and more energy, unless he absorbs from the opposition. something he could do in some cases, but not all, imo.
he's also consumed hyperspace (the source of The Celestials, iirc) and that is canon I think.
also, he's shown just how easily he can consume dimensions when he began to do that to Mephisto's dimension. he definitely powers up by consuming things so why wouldn't he consume his opponent?
logically there's no way Galactus could lose this gauntlet, as each opponent fuels him even more. most of these characters wouldn't survive an angry "Herald, my rage!" blast (killed a Watcher, iirc).
nah, these jokers aren't going to beat a well fed Galactus.
easiest scenario, Galactus mind rapes each opponent (like he's done to Surfer, countless times - the same Surfer who's resisted pretty high-end TP types) and plays them as finger puppets. since he has Cosmic Awareness, he can easily rip apart the minds of opponents by just downloading a fraction of his omniscience into their unprepared minds (a sort of Insane Genis situation).
he could also take the first few and make them all heralds, and then just chillout as they annihilate the rest of the field.
seriously, how does a character that can wipe out and remake universes, can consume the omni-verse (implied, natch) and has the Ultimate Nullifier, lose when he's both prep'd and pissed off?
Originally posted by janus77
he's also consumed hyperspace (the source of The Celestials, iirc) and that is canon I think.also, he's shown just how easily he can consume dimensions when he began to do that to Mephisto's dimension. he definitely powers up by consuming things so why wouldn't he consume his opponent?
logically there's no way Galactus could lose this gauntlet, as each opponent fuels him even more. most of these characters wouldn't survive an angry "Herald, my rage!" blast (killed a Watcher, iirc).
nah, these jokers aren't going to beat a well fed Galactus.
easiest scenario, Galactus mind rapes each opponent (like he's done to Surfer, countless times - the same Surfer who's resisted pretty high-end TP types) and plays them as finger puppets. since he has Cosmic Awareness, he can easily rip apart the minds of opponents by just downloading a fraction of his omniscience into their unprepared minds (a sort of Insane Genis situation).
he could also take the first few and make them all heralds, and then just chillout as they annihilate the rest of the field.
seriously, how does a character that can wipe out and remake universes, can consume the omni-verse (implied, natch) and has the Ultimate Nullifier, lose when he's both prep'd and pissed off?
He can't repower is lifeforce with any kind of energy, only the energy of hospitable worlds. Dimensions probably count under this as dimensions (like Mephisto's realm) don't have worlds, but everything is in one place, and are hospitable to some entities.
And Galactus is not omniscient, he knows a lot, but he is not omniscient in anyway.
And although the blast which killed a Watcher was impressive, as killing a Watcher is not easy in anyway (let alone completely atomising one), that Watcher didn't have time to try and survive with shields etc. If he had tried he would of, due to fact Nova and Annihilus survived, and they were both near the epicentre of the blast.
hmm, let's see--he never drained tyrant (who he CREATED) he never drained thanos. he never drained inbetweener, sphinx, ego, mephisto or any of the thousands of others he's battled, except for hyperstorm. he never drained agamotto, and never absorbed HIS dimension either.
and yet somehow he's gonna 'drain' all these guys--easily? you must be joking. were that the case, it wouldn't matter WHAT level he started at. he could be WEAK and simply drain them. i wonder why that's really never happened . . .? and again--he did NOT consume celestials. he was draining hyperstorm. is it possible he could drain a celestial that way? i suppose, but that has no bearing at all here, since, well, there are NO celestials in the gauntlet.
nor is he mindraping these guys. if THANOS could escape him on the astral plane, guys like dormammu and odin could do a whole lot of damage to him there. they could CERTAINLY last long enough to allow others to come in and then a guy with nary an offensive psi showing is being ganged up on by some guys who DO have good showings.
and turning them into heralds? 😑
sharing omniscience? 😑 😑
he most certainly isn't making any of these guys heralds (cuz he does THAT all the time, right . . .?) and many ALREADY share a limited (as g's is limited) form of omniscience.
anyone who says he clears this 'easily' certainly doesn't understand the players that are involved here.
Originally posted by leonidashe consumed celestials in a non-canon setting.
The "Black Celestial" arc took place in Fantastic Four #337-341,
and it was the 616 Universe (amongst all creation)
that was in danger due to Galactus' insatiable hunger.
It also involved 616 characters like the FF, Thor, & the Shiar, amongst others.
And it was 616 Galactus in a future a mere 15 years away,
from the date set withIN the 616 Universe at the time.
Now, I'll be the first to make it known,
that all stories that take place in the Future,
are set in alternate realities, that's a fact,
but, unlike mirror realities or diverged Futures,
when one actually travels to a potential 616 Future,
like the FF/Thor & Co. did during said arc,
that potential Future involves the actual 616 characters
represented by their Future-selves.
So in essence, it was 616 Galactus in the "Black Celestial" arc,
well, his 616 Future self anyway,
and the arc, is canon, and there's no doubt about that.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33I think he might've been talking about the Earth X story.
Which btw,
wasn't defeated by the Celestials because they thought it was Galactus,
whom the Celestials somewhat feared in that story,
due to Galatcus' essentiality to existence,
which barred them from ever being able to destory him.
In fact, the writer states, (not verbatim)
that Franklin was lucky the Celestials didn't know it was him,
otherwise, in their combined power would've stomped him basically.
Nevertheless, that story also involved the Omniverse.
(but was concentrated withIN Reality 9997)
but characters & weapons with no alternates appeared in the arc too,
like Roma & Merlin, and Excalibur the 'Sword of Might.'
Originally posted by Mr Master
That wasn't Galactus though,
that was Franklin Richards.Which btw,
wasn't defeated by the Celestials because they thought it was Galactus,
whom the Celestials somewhat feared in that story,
due to Galatcus' essentiality to existence,
which barred them from ever being able to destory him.In fact, the writer states, (not verbatim)
that Franklin was lucky the Celestials didn't know it was him,
otherwise, in their combined power would've stomped him basically.Nevertheless, that story also involved the Omniverse.
(but was concentrated withIN Reality 9997)
but characters & weapons with no alternates appeared in the arc too,
like Roma & Merlin, and Excalibur the 'Sword of Might.'
It was Galactus (in some form and shape), in the act iirc it was stated that Franklin believed himself to be Galactus and thus became Galactus ore something like that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I may have to disagree here good friend.The "Black Celestial" arc took place in Fantastic Four #337-341,
and it was the 616 Universe (amongst all creation)
that was in danger due to Galactus' insatiable hunger.It also involved 616 characters like the FF, Thor, & the Shiar, amongst others.
And it was 616 Galactus in a future a mere 15 years away,
from the date set withIN the 616 Universe at the time.Now, I'll be the first to make it known,
that all stories that take place in the Future,
are set in alternate realities, that's a fact,
but, unlike mirror realities or diverged Futures,
when one actually travels to a potential 616 Future,
like the FF/Thor & Co. did during said arc,
that potential Future involves the actual 616 characters
represented by their Future-selves.So in essence, it was 616 Galactus in the "Black Celestial" arc,
well, his 616 Future self anyway,
and the arc, is canon, and there's no doubt about that.
my guess was he WAS discussing the earth x arc, OR he was extrapolating based on the defeat of hyperstorm.
i agree that the black celestial arc WAS canon, but i think we've discussed this before--i tend not to use that feat because his hunger had been tampered with. g wasn't in his right mind.
could he replicate the feat if he tried to do so? maybe, but again, if he could, at anytime, simply start devouring EVERYTHING, why bother simply feeding on planets? he should never be weakened because he could always just start absorbing everything, or if not everything, enough until he's hungry.
like i said--maybe he could duplicate the feat if he chose, but i tend to throw that arc out when discussing galactus because i don't really know just what the the celestial's tampering did.
I was referring to the Black Celestial arc and, as the only alteration was to Galactus' motivation/hunger, he clearly has the capacity to do the job, should he really want to.
the other point (about consuming Hyperspace) was obviously an extrapolation on what he did with Hyperstorm (which did energise Galactus).
I think Galactus' energy levels are independent of his hunger, and it the latter that depands constant replenishment.
Galactus' energies are not going to be severely depleted by this gauntlet, as there aren't any serious challenges until 7-8ish. thus he one-shots the early ones, steals their energies (organic/life energies) and/or consumes their dimensions completely (where appropriate).
by the time he's facing some challenge, he's already insanely powerful ... or has mind-wiped and overtaken some of the characters he let survive from earlier. either way, he'll get more and more powerful, if he's fighting smart (and he is supposed to be more intelligent than Thanos!).
he isn't consuming anyone's dimensions because they aren't fighting in their dimensions. he's fighting in the default kmc ring, and again, i don't see him absorbing the life force of the destroyer or surtur, like he didn't absorb the life forces of so many of the others i mentioned.
if his hunger was tampered with, we can't use that arc to determine what his hunger would allow were it NOT tampered with. possible he could replicate the feat? maybe. never been shown though and again, if he could do that, there wouldn't be any reason for him to EVER be hungry.