MewTwo vs Kain

Because this deserves it's own thread.

BT seems somehow convinced Kain can overcome MewTwo. MewTwo's TK is beyond anything StarKiller's force push would ever achieve. He can maintain a storm which would eradicate all life on the planet without any concentration, and whirl it up at a whim. He can overpower other pokes with ease, the only pokemon with more stat points overall than MewTwo is Arceus, who created the universe. MewTwo's physicly just behind Machamp, who can send trains flying with single punches. Even Arceus is not as powerful as MewTwo on the special end of the spectrum, and MewTwo's faster than almost everything in the pokeverse. Dragonite can fly above Mach 2, and has a mere base 80 speed. MewTwo has a whopping 130.

What has Kain got to win? I need to hear it.

He has absolutely nothing. That's the funny part.

There's nothing Kain can do against Mewtwo. His TK is just too vast.

He has teleportation which negates any imrpessiveness from M2 speed, he has mist to escape any physical force M2 has to offer and M2 from actual canon showings that I have recently looked at (1st pokemon movie) takes time, a fair amount of it to do anything worth doing with his TK.

Eventually even if he was quickly enough he cannot actually stop Kain, since he cannot claim souls.

He TK's Kain's mist, forcing it to hold still while he disects it's molecular structure with TK.

Since Mewtwo could manipulate clouds with TK, I'm pretty sure that mist isn't overly safe.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He has teleportation which negates any imrpessiveness from M2 speed, he has mist to escape any physical force M2 has to offer and M2 from actual canon showings that I have recently looked at (1st pokemon movie) takes time, a fair amount of it to do anything worth doing with his TK.

Eventually even if he was quickly enough he cannot actually stop Kain, since he cannot claim souls.

Have we been watching the same 1st Pokémon movie?

1. Mewtwo doesn't have much physical force to offer. He doesn't use it, since his telekinesis is stronger.

2. The longest he's been working on something in the movie is when he create the storm. Otherwise he just use thoughts and gestures, which makes the move as fast as respective. His thoughts act at supercomputer level and he's by no means slow with gestures either. He's at least fast enough to react to anything Kain is doing.

And right now, I'm just pretending he can't disable Kain's powers or mindrape him. Besides, there's nothing backing Kain up on the protective front either. Mewtwo's sphere is adrequately strong to block any attack by Kain, unless Kain has some new strength feats (Which he doesn't).

Who was that guy that Mewtwo was up against here not long ago, a dark... something, I haven't seen that movie so I'm unaware of if the powerset for Mewtwo within the pokemon universe have changed, also I was under the impression that Mew and Mewtwo was pretty equal in terms of poweroutput.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Who was that guy that Mewtwo was up against here not long ago, a dark... something, I haven't seen that movie so I'm unaware of if the powerset for Mewtwo within the pokemon universe have changed, also I was under the impression that Mew and Mewtwo was pretty equal in terms of poweroutput.

The only three movies Mewtwo has made an appearance in is "Mewtwo Strikes Back", "Mewtwo Returns" and "The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon".

If you're thinking Mirage Mewtwo, he doesn't count. He's not officially Mewtwo. If he was, this would be a stomp like none other.

Otherwise, the only he's been up against is Mew and Giovanni.

YouTube video

Here's some feats from the two canon Mewtwo movies though.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Who was that guy that Mewtwo was up against here not long ago, a dark... something, I haven't seen that movie so I'm unaware of if the powerset for Mewtwo within the pokemon universe have changed, also I was under the impression that Mew and Mewtwo was pretty equal in terms of poweroutput.

Oh yeah, and Mewtwo is indeed a replica of Mew, so their powerset is the same. Their level of power as well, since they stalemated.

Thanks for clearing things up for me Miria 🙂

Out of interest what did Mewtwo do in "The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon"?

To make a complex story simple and a long story short: Mewtwo Mirage has all recorded Pokémon abilities. In this selection of powers, you even find legendary calibur Pokémon.

As cream on the top, he could make eight attacks at once, speedblitz Wesker-style and take Dragonite out in a single punch.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Have we been watching the same 1st Pokémon movie?

1. Mewtwo doesn't have much physical force to offer. He doesn't use it, since his telekinesis is stronger.

2. The longest he's been working on something in the movie is when he create the storm. Otherwise he just use thoughts and gestures, which makes the move as fast as respective. His thoughts act at supercomputer level and he's by no means slow with gestures either. He's at least fast enough to react to anything Kain is doing.

And right now, I'm just pretending he can't disable Kain's powers or mindrape him. Besides, there's nothing backing Kain up on the protective front either. Mewtwo's sphere is adrequately strong to block any attack by Kain, unless Kain has some new strength feats (Which he doesn't). [/B]

Seems so.

Their not just thoughts, its concentration, his eyes glow and as you said, he often gestures, his thought speed is irrelvent tbh. Not really, hes fast enough to realise what kains doing instantly, but whether he can call upon a power or effect to stop what Kain is doing is unlikely, in a split second Kain could have M2 head falling from his shoulders so while M2 would certainly see it all in his thought process, his body may not catch up fast enough, nor his concentration TK to stop Kain from doing it.

no need, kain is immune by actual feats and this is at a young age, if a Vamp who can control large groups of humans of diffrent levels of intellect and m2 has what? controlled one young woman, Kain needs no extra protection.

I doubt M2 sphere has blocked/defended agianst magic, certainly not those that Kain employs.

Your reasoning behind his concentration is that his eyes glow. And that couldn't just be a visual effect to let people know he's using his powers.

MewTwo was taking it easy throughout that entire movie. There wasn't one Pokemon there that could have defeated him until Mew showed up. And you'll notice he seemed to work much faster during that fight.

You still don't get it. Mindwipe an Alakazam as well as at least 20 other people and Pokemon > grouping of humans from Nosgoth.

Pokemon special attacks > Magic

If his mind was as fast as a super computer and his powers happened at the same speed the audiance wouldnt see anything but the effects of his powers, which is not true. His eyes glow and about 1/2 seconds later, maybe more depending on his chosen power an effect happens.

He didnt usem uch TK at all during the fight, he used Shadow balls and barrier, he didnt use this incredible super computer speed TK you seem tho think he had to rip apart mew, or break buildings and throw it at him. he had to use shadow ball......

no, mind alteration, of pokemon that have what feats of mind resistance? they didnt even try to resist M2, they didnt even seem to know what was happening until its too late. Kain has shown resistance on a level far beyond M2 actual mind control/wipe feat because mind control>>>mind alteration.

Stupid statement but understandable considering you said it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Stupid statement but understandable considering you said it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
If his mind was as fast as a super computer and his powers happened at the same speed the audiance wouldnt see anything but the effects of his powers, which is not true. His eyes glow and about 1/2 seconds later, maybe more depending on his chosen power an effect happens.

He didnt usem uch TK at all during the fight, he used Shadow balls and barrier, he didnt use this incredible super computer speed TK you seem tho think he had to rip apart mew, or break buildings and throw it at him. he had to use shadow ball......

no, mind [b]alteration, of pokemon that have what feats of mind resistance? they didnt even try to resist M2, they didnt even seem to know what was happening until its too late. Kain has shown resistance on a level far beyond M2 actual mind control/wipe feat because mind control>>>mind alteration.

Stupid statement but understandable considering you said it. [/B]

I need to know what part of that is relevant here at all. There is no concentration, thats just MewTwo being lazy as those Pokemon are helpless against him.

TK is probably pretty useless against Mew since they're at the same power level.

The only way the mind was altered in was that it had its memories of those events completely erased. MewTwo overpowering Alakazam in a psychic battle is better than Kain can ever hope to do or resist. He gets his mind wiped.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I need to know what part of that is relevant here at all. There is no concentration, thats just MewTwo being lazy as those Pokemon are helpless against him.

TK is probably pretty useless against Mew since they're at the same power level.

The only way the mind was altered in was that it had its memories of those events completely erased. MewTwo overpowering Alakazam in a psychic battle is better than Kain can ever hope to do or resist. He gets his mind wiped.

Well go and find me M2 using psychic powers insantly. Your reason for him being slow does not back up him being fast.

Probably, maby etc etc, no fact in your statement, either way.

Show me this psychic battle of Allakazam against Mewtwo wiping the event from his mind. Kains mind has shown by feats actual resistence to mind powers, its likely none of his powers would work in Kains mind at all, or he himself will faint, in which case he will require a super potion.

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]To make a complex story simple and a long story short: Mewtwo Mirage has all recorded Pokémon abilities. In this selection of powers, you even find legendary calibur Pokémon.

As cream on the top, he could make eight attacks at once, speedblitz Wesker-style and take Dragonite out in a single punch.

[/B]

Actually, from what you just described, that might as well just be MewTwo. MewTwo literally can take out Dragonite in a single punch, and is much faster than most pokemon, a Wesker style blitz isn't out of the question.

MewTwo's special atttacks are just far stronger than even his physical attacks.

/randomsidenote: Mew is psychic type, psychic moves aren't very effective against it. Shadow ball is ghost type, BT. Much more effective.
Even so, Mew's the only pokemon ever to not be flat out lolTK'd by MewTwo. Alakzam's psychic, and he got flat out owned by MewTwo's TK.

When did M2 actually TK mew?