Originally posted by Quiero Mota
In other words: you're cheap. Like Alan from Two and a Half Men. Do you also try to worm your way out of helping out with the tab, when you go out for drinks with the guys? By the way, the 15% wouldn't have been removed. And if you had caused a big enough scene about it, the manager would have just let you all go to save the trouble and hassle, and everyone at that table would have been 86'd permanently.Waiters and delivery drivers always remember people who don't tip. If you frequent any restaurant, when the waiters see you they probably say "Oh, its that guy again. Hey Bob, I ain't gonna do his table, find someone else". (Advice: don't order clam chowder at any place you're a regular.)
Call me what you want to QM, but I refuse to pay extra money for nothing. A waiter gets paid from the company that they work for to bring me my food & drink, and I refuse to give them extra money on top of the money that they are being paid. If it's not enough for them to earn a living, then that is not my problem. Again, self preservation is an instinct that I embrace. I'm not going to give money that could feed my child to a stranger so that they, in turn, can feed their child. When I go out to eat or drink with friends/family, I always make it a point to get my own tab. So, no, I don't try to worm my way out of anything. If you want my honest opinion, I hate the fact that the government taxes these waiters' tips. I agree, very much, with Bardock that the wages should be higher.
Also, I very rarely eat out at restaurants just because of the "social obligation" to tip. Nine times out of ten, I will call in my order to, say, Chili's and then go pick uo my order and eat in the comfort of my own home. Sometimes, the wait staff will even try to bring my order out to my car, just for an excuse for me to tip them, but I tell them that it is unnecessary to do so.
I try to tip waitness and waiters base on how they did.At my job we are not allowed to accept tips from any customers but once in awhile I get a dollar or even a five dollar bill and I accept it.If there is any supervisters around I don't.I wish I could put a tip jar in my department and as soon as any boss comes upstairs I will quickly hid it.I doubt however if it will work.
Originally posted by King Castle
i've also used the tipping as motivator usually putting a nice stack on the table telling the person this is your tip lets see how much of it you'll end up with at the end of the night...
Total douche-bag move, bro. You're asking/begging the waiter to drag his sack across your egg-white omelet or drop a couple nice bloody boogers in your veggie-beef stew.
Originally posted by Impediment
Call me what you want to QM, but I refuse to pay extra money for nothing. A waiter gets paid from the company that they work for to bring me my food & drink, and I refuse to give them extra money on top of the money that they are being paid. If it's not enough for them to earn a living, then that is not my problem. Again, self preservation is an instinct that I embrace. I'm not going to give money that could feed my child to a stranger so that they, in turn, can feed their child. When I go out to eat or drink with friends/family, I always make it a point to get my own tab. So, no, I don't try to worm my way out of anything. If you want my honest opinion, I hate the fact that the government taxes these waiters' tips. I agree, very much, with Bardock that the wages should be higher.Also, I very rarely eat out at restaurants just because of the "social obligation" to tip. Nine times out of ten, I will call in my order to, say, Chili's and then go pick uo my order and eat in the comfort of my own home. Sometimes, the wait staff will even try to bring my order out to my car, just for an excuse for me to tip them, but I tell them that it is unnecessary to do so.
I know you're an ex-serviceman like myself and currently work in a lock-shop, but have you ever had a job that relied on tips?
I've had like a million oddjobs that depended largely on tips...let's see; I've waited tables, been a bartender, a delivery driver, a valet parker, a hotel bellhop, and I was once a tattoo artist's apprentice for a few months before I decided to quit that line of work. With the exception of devilery drivers, none of those jobs make full wage (since they have to pay for their own gas). Hell, tattoo artists don't have any wage; their entire income is dependent on how many people walk through the door. So the tips are reflective of their personalites and service. However, I don't think places like Starbucks or Subway should have a tip-jar, since those employees don't do anything that would warrant tips. They already have a full wage, and they're basically like factory workers on an assembly line.
So is it just a matter of not being able to relate to people in those positions?
Originally posted by Impediment
Call me what you want to QM, but I refuse to pay extra money for nothing. A waiter gets paid from the company that they work for to bring me my food & drink, and I refuse to give them extra money on top of the money that they are being paid. If it's not enough for them to earn a living, then that is not my problem. Again, self preservation is an instinct that I embrace. I'm not going to give money that could feed my child to a stranger so that they, in turn, can feed their child. When I go out to eat or drink with friends/family, I always make it a point to get my own tab. So, no, I don't try to worm my way out of anything. If you want my honest opinion, I hate the fact that the government taxes these waiters' tips. I agree, very much, with Bardock that the wages should be higher.Also, I very rarely eat out at restaurants just because of the "social obligation" to tip. Nine times out of ten, I will call in my order to, say, Chili's and then go pick uo my order and eat in the comfort of my own home. Sometimes, the wait staff will even try to bring my order out to my car, just for an excuse for me to tip them, but I tell them that it is unnecessary to do so.
You obviously subscribe to homo economicus to the max.
Given your recent "adventures" that's a very wise way to go about your life.
Never-mind the seemingly contradictive "reciprocity" presents to the exchange of money for goods. But to say that would be to miss the point. The "homo economicus" comes into play, very succinctly, but not wanting to pay the waiter beyond that cost of your meal: AKA, maximum benefit for the least amount of investment.
So, really, I think this entire topic is not about a specific preference on a social/cultural activity, but rather, a discussion of microeconomic governance. Those contradicting your perspective subscribe to homo reciprocans and/or rational choice theory. (I think prospective theory is pretty damn spot on, myself. I subscribe to a mixture of theories rather than one single one. Humans are far too complex to pin down to a specific and small set of behaviors.)
But, I have a devious philosophical opinion of homo reciprocans being another flavor of homo economicus and RCT.
What I said is obviously debatable, to the max, but lots of what I said is pretty spot on.
Originally posted by Robtarddont be silly we think ahead its at hooters and it comes down to our drinks and we can see the kitchen...
Total douche-bag move, bro. You're asking/begging the waiter to drag his sack across your egg-white omelet or drop a couple nice bloody boogers in your veggie-beef stew.
we usually do it to circumvent certain establishment rules.. like amount of drinks at a table/ carding and what not.. it usually works just fine..
Originally posted by Robtard
Total douche-bag move, bro. You're asking/begging the waiter to drag his sack across your egg-white omelet or drop a couple nice bloody boogers in your veggie-beef stew.
Just saw this post.
Big ol' "Indeed."
There's no way around this being one of the douchiest things you can do to the people serving you.
Originally posted by Impediment
Call me what you want to QM, but I refuse to pay extra money for nothing. A waiter gets paid from the company that they work for to bring me my food & drink, and I refuse to give them extra money on top of the money that they are being paid. If it's not enough for them to earn a living, then that is not my problem. Again, self preservation is an instinct that I embrace. I'm not going to give money that could feed my child to a stranger so that they, in turn, can feed their child. When I go out to eat or drink with friends/family, I always make it a point to get my own tab. So, no, I don't try to worm my way out of anything. If you want my honest opinion, I hate the fact that the government taxes these waiters' tips. I agree, very much, with Bardock that the wages should be higher.Also, I very rarely eat out at restaurants just because of the "social obligation" to tip. Nine times out of ten, I will call in my order to, say, Chili's and then go pick uo my order and eat in the comfort of my own home. Sometimes, the wait staff will even try to bring my order out to my car, just for an excuse for me to tip them, but I tell them that it is unnecessary to do so.
You are not paying for "nothing", you are paying for good service (you really should understand how human nature works)
Waiters are paid to wait and are kept on because they do good work. An employee at a grocery or retail store is being paid to stock shelves or clean etc., and they're kept on the pay list because they do a good job. Customers shouldn't have to tip every worker they talk to when they ask for service. It's a part of the job to be helpful when someone asks for direction or inquires about a product etc., as is being prompt with delivering orders and checking up on refills etc.
People tip because of service not because of the food.
If you just want a burger go to McDonald's.
If you want someone to wait on you and grab whatever you need whenever you need it... Go to a restaurant. Tipping is like ensuring your old little manservant for half an hour... Yes you tip after the fact but you do that to let the waiter know they did a good job.
And if you people have an aversion to tipping keep your nuts at home. Sure the waiter gets paid just like a grocery clerk does... But the clerk isn't going to make chit chat or do you any favors or clean up after you as you make messes every where.
Originally posted by Lord LucienWaiters get paid like 3 dollars an hour not counting tips.
Waiters are paid to wait and are kept on because they do good work. An employee at a grocery or retail store is being paid to stock shelves or clean etc., and they're kept on the pay list because they do a good job. Customers shouldn't have to tip every worker they talk to when they ask for service. It's a part of the job to be helpful when someone asks for direction or inquires about a product etc., as is being prompt with delivering orders and checking up on refills etc.
You need to stay at home, you cheap phuck.