I already pointed out how a weakened Death Stinger beat both the Blade Liger and Lightning Saix combined.
In addition it surviving lava and atmospheric re-entry crashes and explosions, not to mention being able to bust cities, it's obvious to...anyone that is is several times stronger than Van's punY Blade Liger.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I already pointed out how a weakened Death Stinger beat both the Blade Liger and Lightning Saix combined.In addition it surviving lava and atmospheric re-entry crashes and explosions, not to mention being able to bust cities, it's obvious to...anyone that is is several times stronger than Van's punY Blade Liger.
Van's Blade Liger ****ed it up, destroyed his CPC tail and severely damaged him. We know the DS is beastly which is why the Blitz Team can't win.
Yes the DS is beastly. So beastly it's not even in the same solar system as the Blade Liger in terms of power. The Bl isn't even on par with a Geno Breaker...or should I show you the multipe times Raven handed Van his ass with that thing?
It goes:
Ultimate Death Saurer
Death Stinger
Geno Breaker. Raven's one at least. With Shadow of course.
Blade Liger
The Blade Liger's power, durability, all pale in comparsion to the three above it. Especially the top two. It hasn't shown the capacity to cause half the damage they've withstood nor has it inflicted a quarter of the damage they've laid down.
Just give it up. Arguing the Blade Liger is on par with the Death Stinger is just laughable. As I've alreayd proven with how Hiltz smiled off a combined assault and then could have killed Van and Irvine had it not been for Schuboltz's arrival. All this while weakened I'll remind you.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Yes the DS is beastly. So beastly it's not even in the same solar system as the Blade Liger in terms of power. The Bl isn't even on par with a Geno Breaker...or should I show you the multipe times Raven handed Van his ass with that thing?It goes:
Ultimate Death Saurer
Death Stinger
Geno Breaker. Raven's one at least. With Shadow of course.
Blade LigerThe Blade Liger's power, durability, all pale in comparsion to the three above it. Especially the top two. It hasn't shown the capacity to cause half the damage they've withstood nor has it inflicted a quarter of the damage they've laid down.
Just give it up. Arguing the Blade Liger is on par with the Death Stinger is just laughable. As I've alreayd proven with how Hiltz smiled off a combined assault and then could have killed Van and Irvine had it not been for Schuboltz's arrival. All this while weakened I'll remind you.
So you ignore the fact that the Blade Liger has severely damaged the Death Stinger and destroyed the UDS?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, Raven was winning, right up to the fight they were having when the Stinger debuts, During that battle, Raven was getting the ass kicking by Van right till the Stinger destroyed the base.
You know I don't see the point in them trying to downplay Van by citing his losses against someone who is on his team.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixAre you serious, man? Raven is Van's biggest rival in the show, and the one he fights the most. What else is he going to reference, Van fighting a stupid, nameless Helcat pilot?
You know I don't see the point in them trying to downplay Van by citing his losses against someone who is on his team.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Desperation I guess....
Desperation? Come on, man, you're better than that.
Again, this has nothing to do with the actual debate so I have no problem responding.
No, no... I know....
That came out wrong, I didn't intend to say that. Everyone is entitled to an oppinion. But Luminatus did appear to forget quite a bit while he referenced those battles, it appeared to be either a hasty argument, or an ill informed one.
I guess I've said a few things I've regretted over the past week, I apologise...
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Are you serious, man? Raven is Van's biggest rival in the show, and the one he fights the most. What else is he going to reference, Van fighting a stupid, nameless Helcat pilot?Desperation? Come on, man, you're better than that.
Again, this has nothing to do with the actual debate so I have no problem responding.
I don't think you understand my point. What's the point of saying that Van sucks because he loses to the guy that is on his team in this fight? That's like saying Goku and Vegeta can't beat Ken and Ryu because Vegeta always loses to Goku. V and R stomps them end match, Raven's CPC with Shadow damaged the UDS's shields.
I didn't forget anything. I'm just not counting one single event over several others.
Raven kicked Van's ass multiple times with the Geno Breaker. Fact.
Van was any sort of a challenge..ONCE.
A weakened Death Stinger was totally unharmed by a combined assault of the Blade Liger and Lightning Siex.
Van managed to damage it once.
Add to this that the Death Stinger has far, far, FAR superior feats of destruction and durability and it's just plain obvious Van damaging it once was bullshit.
Not as much bullshit as his shield withstanding a charged particle beam from the frickin' Ultimate Death Saurer but still pretty stupid.
Just answer me this. DO you honestly think the Blade Liger is on par with either the UDS or the Death Stinger? If you do, this debate's at an end because I refuse to accept that because the only evidence for it is singular events of PIS that contradict several other valid showings.
Also, Phoenix, my last couple posts have not been about the actual thread topic but Van's Blade Liger's place in CC's power ranking.
Originally posted by Luminatus
I didn't forget anything. I'm just not counting one single event over several others.Raven kicked Van's ass multiple times with the Geno Breaker. Fact.
Van was any sort of a challenge..ONCE.
A weakened Death Stinger was totally unharmed by a combined assault of the Blade Liger and Lightning Siex.
Van managed to damage it once.Add to this that the Death Stinger has far, far, FAR superior feats of destruction and durability and it's just plain obvious Van damaging it once was bullshit.
Not as much bullshit as his shield withstanding a charged particle beam from the frickin' Ultimate Death Saurer but still pretty stupid.Just answer me this. DO you honestly think the Blade Liger is on par with either the UDS or the Death Stinger? If you do, this debate's at an end because I refuse to accept that because the only evidence for it is singular events of PIS that contradict several other valid showings.
Also, Phoenix, my last couple posts have not been about the actual thread topic but Van's Blade Liger's place in CC's power ranking.
Do any of those points matter here when they guy you are claiming to be so above Van is on his team?
I'll answer that for you Luminatus.
Under normal circumstances, no... The Blade Liger should not ever have been a match for any Death series of Zoid... I'll be frank and say that it was a huge example of character shielding gone awry, PIS extreme.
HOWEVER, with that in mind, we cannot deny that it happened, as much as that thought sickens me, it has it's place
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixThe point is if in a fight with Raven, Van shows a weakness, that weakness will translate into the fight between Bit and Vega, regardless if Raven is on Van's side in the fight. You can't just make a mass generalization such as "I don't see the point..." when there could, potentially, be a point.
I don't think you understand my point. What's the point of saying that Van sucks because he loses to the guy that is on his team in this fight? That's like saying Goku and Vegeta can't beat Ken and Ryu because Vegeta always loses to Goku. V and R stomps them end match, Raven's CPC with Shadow damaged the UDS's shields.
And, also, please don't tell me what I do and do not understand.
Actually, now that I've had a look at this better.... I think Van and Raven clashed all of twice?
The first match sees Van get fubared off the edge of a cliff. But after that, Zeke gets a huge power boost that enables the Blade Liger to DBZ Speedblitz Gunsnipers, including an Ambient mutated one. Then goes onto take Raven apart peicemeal in their second match before the Stinger blows away the battlefield and a GF base in one shot.