Originally posted by Oneness
You won't get into heaven with that demeanor.Heaven is God's time, life is our time. God wants us to make the most out of it, it's the only purpose for something as powerful as God. Imagine not being able to be spontaneous, the only things you can experience as God exist because You say they exist. For humans, there's a chance to discover, to feel emotion. God evokes the spirit to provide abundance for everyone in life, so that He may experience through their emotions.
It is what's known as a symbiotic relationship.
In summary, make the most out of life. That includes self-improvement, and improvement of the human condition as well.
so you think god is not spontaneous... ? wow
you think he would let us manipulate his greatest creation ?
Originally posted by Shabazz916
god is spontaneous because he created everything that is spontaneous
But to Him, nothing is spontaneous because nothing is hedonistic. Nothing is new or unexpected. That is the curse of omniscience.
no it is not him manipulating his own creation... because he made us perfectThat is a nonsensical assertion. The first part of your sentence is unrelated to the second.
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Your subjective concept of perfection has nothing to do with Him manipulating His own creation.
Originally posted by Oneness
But to Him, nothing is spontaneous because nothing is hedonistic. Nothing is new or unexpected. That is the curse of omniscience.That is a nonsensical assertion. The first part of your sentence is unrelated to the second.
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Your subjective concept of perfection has nothing to do with Him manipulating His own creation.
gods doesnt need to create anything new... the thoughts that come to you mind are the things you want....
my subjective concept of perfection is true.. we are perfect. state one way that we are not.. and no dnt create away we are not....
and explain how he is manipulate his own creation
Originally posted by Shabazz916
gods doesnt need to create anything new...
Yes He does by very definition, that is the very point I'm making. Imagine not being able to not know, unable to be surprised, unable to feel emotion but through our subjective experiences here in life before we rejoin that collective that is His experience.
the thoughts that come to you mind are the things you want....
Not necessarily. Most often my thoughts are driven by curiosity.
my subjective concept of perfection is true..
That is an unfalsifiable notion.
we are perfect. state one way that we are not.. and no dnt create away we are not....
Imperfections are the flaws within our nature, through our perfect grace we attempt to eliminate them. This is one of the many purposes in life we all share.
and explain how he is manipulate his own creationThrough the Spirit.
Originally posted by Oneness
Yes He does by very definition, that is the very point I'm making. Imagine not being able to not know, unable to be surprised, unable to feel emotion but through our subjective experiences here in life before we rejoin that collective that is His experience.he doesnt need to create he create everything.. he doesnt need to create things for us to see. because he isnt god to satisfy us.. we are to satisfy him
Not necessarily. Most often my thoughts are driven by curiosity.
curiosity is good and bad
That is an unfalsifiable notion.
Imperfections are the flaws within our nature, through our perfect grace we attempt to eliminate them. This is one of the many purposes in life we all share.you think thats what we share.. are real purpose is to serve him.. serving anything else is the devils way to get us off track. and we are perfect... our purpose is not to improve ourselves because human's have never improve we destroy quickly or slowly destroy
Through the Spirit.
Originally posted by Shabazz916It is a symbiotic relationship. The Bible is full of commands to love one another, and to live happily and overcome our fears and liberate the fear in others.
he doesnt need to create things for us to see. because he isnt god to satisfy us.. we are to satisfy him
"As our own light shines we unconsciously give others permission to do the same."
God is apart of us, by our collective joy, He attains what He couldn't experience without us, joy as us.
you think thats what we share.. are real purpose is to serve him.. serving anything else is the devils way to get us off track. and we are perfect... our purpose is not to improve ourselves because human's have never improve we destroy quickly or slowly destroy
Selfishness can hurt others, self-improvement is not necessarily selfish, it can be a good thing for others as well in the way I explained earlier when I claimed that if one were to be in a league of his own through genetic modification he would modify others merely for the need to share in his intellectual experience. Now that is an extreme, futuristic example, but it pertains to what good self-improvement can do.
Your body is a temple. Take care of it, and if possible, improve it. If only for the simple reason that you can. Just never put yourself before others because God lives in them, too.
By serving each-other we serve ourselves, and we serve God. All the while the Spirit provides for us if we are on the right path, so that we may never fail to live the way God wanted us to live.
Originally posted by Oneness
It is a symbiotic relationship. The Bible is full of commands to love one another, and to live happily and overcome our fears and liberate the fear in others."As our own light shines we unconsciously give others permission to do the same."
God is apart of us, by our collective joy, He attains what He couldn't experience without us, joy as us.
Selfishness can hurt others, self-improvement is not necessarily selfish, it can be a good thing for others as well in the way I explained earlier when I claimed that if one were to be in a league of his own through genetic modification he would modify others merely for the need to share in his intellectual experience. Now that is an extreme, futuristic example, but it pertains to what good self-improvement can do.
Your body is a temple. Take care of it, and if possible, improve it. If only for the simple reason that you can. Just never put yourself before others because God lives in them, too.
self improvement because he loves us all..
but i know and im sure you know... the goverment companies are not helping everyone so it is not good self-improvement.
and just answer this... what have human improved ?
Originally posted by Shabazz916You're thinking in the short term, or in what humans have done for the eco-system (or what we've done to the eco-system in this example, lol) thus far.
self improvement because he loves us all..but i know and im sure you know... the goverment companies are not helping everyone so it is not good self-improvement.
and just answer this... what have human improved ?
Yes, the monetary system is falling apart, yes, we've destroyed the eco-system because it was more business efficient. However, if we ever do change, with our technological capacity, we could do more for the poor and for the environment, elevate it higher, than it could have ever been before, if we had not gone through those destructive phases.
Perhaps in the end, it's for the better.
"As you do not know what is the way of the wind, Or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child, So you do not know the works of God who makes everything." - Ecclesiastes 1:5
Originally posted by Oneness
You're thinking in the short term, or in what humans have done for the eco-system (or what we've done to the eco-system in this example, lol) thus far.Yes, the monetary system is falling apart, yes, we've destroyed the eco-system because it was more business efficient. However, if we ever do change, with our technological capacity, we could do more for the poor and for the environment, elevate it higher, than it could have ever been before, if we had not gone through those destructive phases.
Perhaps in the end, it's for the better.
i dnt think it will end up being for the better.. i mean they have been knowing we have been destroying the enviroment been having factories that create all this black smoke... (cutting down tree's to make paper to write save tree's) yeah i know its just stupid..
and yet day goes by and we still let it happen... we are not going to stop before its to late... billionaires are not going to say i have 20 billion just sitting around so why dnt i give my employies $2 more to help improve lives...
the world is heading to a end.. and ppl. still say look to the stars for our brothers in the universe to help us...
Originally posted by Shabazz916Help will not come from outside, aside from the Spirit.
i dnt think it will end up being for the better.. i mean they have been knowing we have been destroying the enviroment been having factories that create all this black smoke... (cutting down tree's to make paper to write save tree's) yeah i know its just stupid..and yet day goes by and we still let it happen... we are not going to stop before its to late... billionaires are not going to say i have 20 billion just sitting around so why dnt i give my employies $2 more to help improve lives...
the world is heading to a end.. and ppl. still say look to the stars for our brothers in the universe to help us...
We have the capacity to do great things.
Originally posted by Oneness
Help will not come from outside, aside from the Spirit.We have the capacity to do great things.
yes we have capacity.. but there is a things called.. buisness, money, racism, greed etc that come first sadly
Originally posted by Oneness
Consciousness itself is a thermodynamic miracle, but that fact is merely the result of the limitations of the current model (a lack scientific understanding).We merely lack a complete understanding of this world, which contains an infinity of things to understand. That just goes to show how advanced technology might as well be magic to us, because it can result to outcomes we could not explain. Probability manipulation.
Science has never and never will be about having all the answers. It's always going to have an infinitely minute portion of the whole thing. Science is about more, it's about expansion, expanding what we know. It's a never ending journey that spurts out more questions than answers as the process continues to progress into the future. By that reasoning more technology is the answer, for its lack of limitations, its endlessness.