Originally posted by Battlehammer😐
dont see why this is a spite, it all about ones will, wolverine not some child, he also not jason who has a weakness to uses against him (though it bullshit weakness jason lives in a water why would it scare him). His will is reidculous and he can uses it to his advantage, plus unlike children even if his body is effected in the real world it don't matter much to him, he has a healing factor.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Freddy seems to be able to warp reality and conjure whatever powers he wishes to have. In the dream world, what if he just turned Magneto and ripped all that adamantium out.
yeah I was also thinking something like this, I mean juest rember when he turned into "Super Freddy"! 😆
i can't imagin what freddy can do to wolverine and what wolverine can do to freddy. I have never seen anything to suggest that he can take away supper powers he wasn't able to do it to Jason. Wolverine is a master of meditation though and would be able to enter the dream world and leaven when he wants. if and that's a big if wolverine can figure out that he needs to grab him when he does it. But anyway i see it like Jason vs freddy except wolverine doesn't have a weekness for freddy to exploit.
Originally posted by jasofisc
i can't imagin what freddy can do to wolverine and what wolverine can do to freddy. I have never seen anything to suggest that he can take away supper powers he wasn't able to do it to Jason. Wolverine is a master of meditation though and would be able to enter the dream world and leaven when he wants. if and that's a big if wolverine can figure out that he needs to grab him when he does it. But anyway i see it like Jason vs freddy except wolverine doesn't have a weekness for freddy to exploit.
there's no prep which means wolv don't know who fred is
part of fred's power is to telepathically know everythin,especially fears,of victim
and even if fred can't take down his healing factor,he can rip out the adamantium in wolv's body,decapitate him,and drown him in acid,and cause he knows of wolv's meditation control he can do it telekinetically
and if wolv's wakes up,fred will just come back the next night,and the night after that,... cause he can be in more than one dream at once,as he was in both tina's and nancy's dream in the first movie.so yeah
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Actually..the times that Freddy was brought into the real world..didn't those kids have a special gift that allowed them to bring something back from their dreams? If so, Wolverine may not have that gift and may be stuck to fighting Freddy in the dream world only.
naw.it's basically if your holdin on to sumthin in the dream world and u wake up while holdin it,u can bring it into the real world,fred included
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Freddy feats Part 6Realitywarping/Telekinsis: A House falls from the sky
Teleportation of his victim to the reality: he pushes john with a bus through a realitygate into the real world
Flying: Feddy flys in form of a witch
Shapeshifting: Turns into carlos mother
Mega sonic: Freddy let's carlos head explode (via sonic/noise)
Realitywarping: Freddy pulls spencer through a window in a video game
Powerglove (while Spencer is in the video game): He controlls Spencers actions in the real world
Pyrokinesis: Freddys sets John bed on fire (without touching it of course)
Teleportation / Speed (whatever you want): Freddy cuts John Parachute in the air and while Johns falling Freddys got enough time to push a nailbed (or something like this) under John that he fells onto it
Shapeshifting: Turns into Tracys fatherthen Tracy says: It's my dream I do what I want
Freddy replies: It's your dream but my rules (free transleated from german to english)Bodycontrol: Freddy let's his wrist (the one with the glove) rotate extremly fast
Voicemimicry: mimicrys Tracys voice
Durability: Freddy gets beaten down by Doc with a baseball bat with no effectafter that Freddy tells Doc how often they tried to kill him:
burning
buried alive
holy water (all in the dreamworld)
while counting these things he cuts one of his fingers off for each point and when he's finished they instantly grew back (Healingfactor)and later after he got pulled into the real world he said that he totally forgot how pain feels
EDIT: really man to think wolverine can beat someone with this power is just plain ridiculous
.......is this really what you think beats wolverine? almost every single one of thoses abilities would do nothing to wolverine and to be honest he laugh at them, and you also forget to mention that wolverine in the dream world can uses similar powers, wolverine not some inexperience scared child, he vastly experienced fighter who dealt with numerous threats, as well as reality warpers, he not getting punked like you seem to think.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......is this really what you think beats wolverine? almost every single one of thoses abilities would do nothing to wolverine and to be honest he laugh at them, and you also forget to mention that wolverine in the dream world can uses similar powers, wolverine not some inexperience scared child, he vastly experienced fighter who dealt with numerous threats, as well as reality warpers, he not getting punked like you seem to think.
if u think wolverine can really win i got 1 word for u
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/16508/711162-627412_picard_no_facepalm_1__super_super.jpg
Originally posted by gobstakid777
thats good cause those aren't his powers.his power is complete control over your dreams and causing psychosomatic symptoms with those dreams.note complete means godlike,morpheus sandman godlike.there's not shit wolvs can do against him.freddy can do ANYTHING to himif u think wolverine can really win i got 1 word for u
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and yet little chidlren beat him all the time.............
Logan can uses powers in the dream world as well, which you keep leaving out.
Freddy could not even take Jason out who can't even heal, how he going to take out some one who damage soak>>>>>Jason and who smart enough to fight back in the dream world?
also what about wolverines mental defenses? which again people are leaving out, which could play a huge factor in this and have proofen effective against reality warpers.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[B] (1) and yet little chidlren beat him all the time............. [B]
(2) Logan can uses powers in the dream world as well, which you keep leaving out. Freddy could not even take Jason out who can't even heal, how he going to take out some one who damage soak>>>>>Jason and who smart enough to fight back in the dream world?
(3) also what about wolverines mental defenses? which again people are leaving out, which could play a huge factor in this and have proofen effective against reality warpers. [B][/QUOTE]
to (1)
well I can play the same game here....
http://media.photobucket.com/image/wolverine%20deer/A_Flight/wolverine18006.jpg
Hell man this is not a movie of course in the movies he loses to a point, cause he simply is the bad guy in 95% of all horror movies the bad guys loose, same goes for comics, sure a bad guy wins here and there or sometimes a good guy gets killed but that's temporerly in the end good overcomes bad and the dead heros return
to (2) no he can't why should he be able to? And even if he could freddys easily overpowered all of them he was more toying with them than anything else he grabbed will (the wizard boy) while he was firing his magical stuff at him und single handedly hooked him up and stabbed him, he overpowered kincaid (the strong guy) easily and was smiling at him at this point, I already stated why he couldn't take down jason you shold read the thread instead of only the stuff here you want to
to (3) yeah because he has shown so awsome against the girl from agents of atlas who was just singing and totaly lure him with that or the pheromones of Spider-Woman. And yeah his mental defenses protect him from reality warping....
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......is this really what you think beats wolverine? almost every single one of thoses abilities would do nothing to wolverine and to be honest he laugh at them, and you also forget to mention that wolverine in the dream world can uses similar powers, wolverine not some inexperience scared child, he vastly experienced fighter who dealt with numerous threats, as well as reality warpers, he not getting punked like you seem to think.
wtf man this is only from part 6 and I'm sure as hell someone with this powerset can beat Wolverine if you want so I'll post the rest here too
and I highly doubt that it wouldn't have any effect on wolverine when Freddys teleports him into the sky and let him fall down from there, it wouldn't kill him sure but to think he would just jump up after that and say: hey buddy what's up? is ridiculous, we could use the exact same scenario as in the beginning of part 6 and just exchange the nailbed with a tank of acid/molten metal and when Logan falls into it Freddy just puts a lid on it or just jumps into it too to keep logan in there not that it would harm him at all...
btw to the durabilty feat with the baseball bat, I've seen Punisher taking on Wolverine with a baseball bat and he wasn't doing so well against it....
Originally posted by Battlehammer
and yet little chidlren beat him all the time.............Logan can uses powers in the dream world as well, which you keep leaving out.
Freddy could not even take Jason out who can't even heal, how he going to take out some one who damage soak>>>>>Jason and who smart enough to fight back in the dream world?
also what about wolverines mental defenses? which again people are leaving out, which could play a huge factor in this and have proofen effective against reality warpers.
as the 3rd movie shows lucid dreaming doesn't work and freddy has complete control over the dreamworld,whose effects carry out into the real world.freddy can kill him instantly.he only choses to enegage opponents so yeah
Originally posted by Parmaniac
In the first part of your post your right about the nightmares if they would follow real life logic wich is not the case in the Nightmare on Elmstreet movies because in the Nightmare movies he isn't just manipulating your dreams the stuff that happens to you there actually threatens you in "reallife", this was shown more than once and also stated several times for example Nancy cuts her hand and was still bleeding after she woke up, after that she says that threats in the dreamworld can become threats in the real world (that was in part 3)btw it was you who said there has to be something Wolverine can regenrate from (at least 1 cell I guess) in the Rulk vs. Woverine thread after I asked if the getting hotter thing would be a bigger prob than the HF (from the other Hulk in this matchup), so please don't come now and say he would regenerate from this
To the first part, you don't seem to get my point.
I meant, besides when Freddy actually attacks his victims in some way or another, it's still for all intents and purposes a simple nightmare. Wolverine, for example, would not be afraid of Sabretooth in real life. But in the nightmare, he may actually be afraid of him if Freddy took his shape, simply because a nightmare plays on you cerebral-biochemically. For the most part, it's almost impossible to NOT be afraid. So Freddy can do all these magic tricks and crap, showing off his dream warping powers by manifesting everything under the sun, but it doesn't count for sh*t unless he actually attacks his victims.
For the second part, I never back on my acknowledgments of fact. Wolverine DOES need something to regenerate from. But when was the last time Freddy threw someone into an acid bath or the sun? Faced with Jason, Freddy had absolutely no idea what to do against someone who won't die. Although, Freddy did seem to get somewhere when he was "drowning" Jason. Maybe you have to be afraid of it for it to hurt you. That would make some sense. But that's just speculation. In any case, I've seen all the Freddy's and Jason's a million times. Freddy's never done anything in the league of sun-tossing. It may be a Kryptonian's best friend, but Freddy simply doesn't do it. BUT! I do have to admit, it's plausible; if he pulled out all the stops he could very well throw someone in the sun. And then I ask myself; would Freddy have to know the temperature of the sun to make it as hot as the real sun? Does he have to know the properties of certain things like that? That would explain why he's never does more than manifest flypaper, blood, giant q-tips, heroine, a hurricane, and a platform of spikes.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Freddy could not even take Jason out who can't even heal
Jason was pretty much a toy and joke to Freddy in a dreamworld and even then Freddy was only playing with him. He even easily revived him, when Freddy was still just weak and even brought him from Hell. Ok, then he couldn't kill him, but Jason is an immortal. That was the problem why he couldn't take him out (but even that was only because of a script and that it wouldn't be boring and one sided. Freddy should have no problem slicing him, taking his head off and at least stop him for a while or some time). I don't see any problem Freddy taking his adamantium out and killing him. Logan is not an immortal.
Originally posted by Master Court
To the first part, you don't seem to get my point.I meant, besides when Freddy actually attacks his victims in some way or another, it's still for all intents and purposes a simple nightmare. Wolverine, for example, would not be afraid of Sabretooth in real life. But in the nightmare, he may actually be afraid of him if Freddy took his shape, simply because a nightmare plays on you cerebral-biochemically. For the most part, it's almost impossible to NOT be afraid. So Freddy can do all these magic tricks and crap, showing off his dream warping powers by manifesting everything under the sun, but it doesn't count for sh*t unless he actually attacks his victims.
For the second part, I never back on my acknowledgments of fact. Wolverine DOES need something to regenerate from. But when was the last time Freddy threw someone into an acid bath or the sun? Faced with Jason, Freddy had absolutely no idea what to do against someone who won't die. Although, Freddy did seem to get somewhere when he was "drowning" Jason. Maybe you have to be afraid of it for it to hurt you. That would make some sense. But that's just speculation. In any case, I've seen all the Freddy's and Jason's a million times. Freddy's never done anything in the league of sun-tossing. It may be a Kryptonian's best friend, but Freddy simply doesn't do it. BUT! I do have to admit, it's plausible; if he pulled out all the stops he could very well throw someone in the sun. And then I ask myself; would Freddy have to know the temperature of the sun to make it as hot as the real sun? Does he have to know the properties of certain things like that? That would explain why he's never does more than manifest flypaper, blood, giant q-tips, heroine, a hurricane, and a platform of spikes.
part 1
oh ok then I really got it a bit wrong
I wouldn't 100% agree on the thing that it is a simple nightmare unless he attacks, I think (at this point don't have an exact example, but still) it's also possible that someone hurts himself and carries the damage to the real world, so I think the whole dream created by freddy works diffrent than normal nightmares but thats irrelevant
"but it doesn't count for sh*t unless he actually attacks his victims."
well I definately have to disagree with this, I wouldn't say it doesn't count for s*it because with this powers he can create the perfect circumstances for his attack, for example creating a giant magnet or quicksand to trap him.
part 2
"For the second part, I never back on my acknowledgments of fact. Wolverine DOES need something to regenerate from."
yeah I know I just wanted to make this clear again cause I've seen people sometimes claim that he would just heal from absolutely everything done to him.
"Faced with Jason, Freddy had absolutely no idea what to do against someone who won't die. Although, Freddy did seem to get somewhere when he was "drowning" Jason"
hm yeah the whole thing of freddy being surprised was kinda dumb or just a way to show jason in a respectful fight, because freddy shapeshifted into Jasons Mother in the beginning so Freddy actually said by himself that jason can't die (If I remeber right she said: whatever they do to you you can't die) and then in the fight he wonders that that he was saying was actually right 😑
"Maybe you have to be afraid of it for it to hurt you"
hm it would, but it seems you don't have to because in one movie this karate guy isn't afraid of Freddy in any way (he was actually seeking the confrontation) and still got killed
and yeah I know he's never done anything near like sun tossing but I think we agree he easily could and really why should he throw a normal teenager into the sun it's not like he couldn't kill him otherwise in a more sadistic/funny way only for his amusement
to the last thing I don't think he has to know how stuff works to do it, I mean he once put someone in a video game and I don't think he actually knows how programming or the inside of a videoconsole works
I think it's more like the GL rings you just imagine what you want and the ring does the rest for you
"That would explain why he's never does more than manifest flypaper, blood, giant q-tips, heroine, a hurricane, and a platform of spikes."
well I thinks that's again because it's just not really necessary to do more for normal humans, FvJ is in a way an example for this he telekinetaccly tossing jason around like a pinball he has never done something like this to a normal human he was more going out not going ALL out but more
