Jedah Dohma vs Kain

Started by Burning thought8 pages

Well I have heard from others previously that he cannot be defeated due to being the saviour of Makai or some sort, whatever reaosn he comes back, it seems obviously he is not erased from excistence if he can feel a distrurbance....

As i said, I want evidence.

When did he hit a bunch of bullet timers? and prove their faster than Kain, Kain can teleport and slash Jedah in 200 milliseconds, thats quicker than jumping out of the way of a bullet I would say. lol at 1 second? show me this.....and the dimension was pretty much a planet. Manip dimensions or manip his own dimension?

your making some feats up i think or over estimating them.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well I have heard from others previously that he cannot be defeated due to being the saviour of Makai or some sort, whatever reaosn he comes back, it seems obviously he is not erased from excistence if he can feel a distrurbance....

As i said, I want evidence.

When did he hit a bunch of bullet timers? and prove their faster than Kain, Kain can teleport and slash Jedah in 200 milliseconds, thats quicker than jumping out of the way of a bullet I would say. lol at 1 second? show me this.....and the dimension was pretty much a planet. Manip dimensions or manip his own dimension?

your making some feats up i think or over estimating them.

Jedah resisted soul **** when he was trying to up the gates.

Though he is over 6000 years old he is the youngest out of the three High nobles of Makai. His liquid body allows him to change into any shape he chooses. He is able to absorb the souls of others and can instantly increase his own powers.

He was always distressed about the future of Makai. He believes that if Makai left to rule by Berial, the master of the Aensland family and the true ruler of Makai, then it would grow old and begin to decay. Berial would most likely say that that is destiny and life. To Jedah, Berial was a being who should not exist. He had always looked for the opportunity to kill Berial and waited for the right time to strike.

After the death of Garunan, the master of the Bosital family and the oldest of the three high nobles, Jedah had a young confidant named Ozomu. Simply put, he was a gourmet. The reason he came under Jedah was to be able to eat delicious souls. As a noble, his skills were second class, but his ability to deceive others were first class. He was a genius in using others. He advised Jedah about using the gate of Makai. Jedah, being confident in his ability to absorb souls, agreed to this. He ordered Ozomu to break a part of the seal to open the gate more.

When Ozomu arrived at the gates, he realized that enormous powers lied within the gates. He realizd that even Jedah would destroy himself if he absorbed all this power at once and sees this as his chance to take over the throne. He lies to Jedah and tells him that he must destroy all the seals because little power was coming out. After destroying the seals, he ran off to the far reaches of Makai. The destruction of Jedah meant his rise in power and his plot succeeded. Though Jedah's absorbing powers were greater than Ozomu predicted, he was still destroyed due to the sheer amount of power seeping through.

Ozomu gathered the left over power and stored it in Dohma castle. This is how Ozomu became the new master of the Dohma family. The birth of Emperor Ozomu.

100 years later, after a century long sleep, Jedah was revived in Makai. He felt distressed towards the crazed Makai, nobles fighting each other and spilling blood. Instead of anger, he felt pity towards Ozomu, who had betrayed him. Jedah had already made up his mind. His complete revival and the cleansing of all souls. For this, a new stage was necessary. A new dimension, the Majigen.

Jedah arrived at Dohma castle and saw Ozomu and laid out his hand. Although his powers were not yet completely restored yet, he had enough powers to remove Ozomu. Ozomu had become a spineless gourmet. Ozomu's eyes had fear in them. Jedah quietly whispers, "Ozomu... I am sorry, but please lend me your powers. Your soul would become the foundation of Majigen and will help the future of Makai."

The Dohma castle was taken into the dark space along with Ozomu. This was the beginning of Ozomu's salvation. Jedah believed that he was the one that needed to recreate life by fusing all souls into one life form, the Shintai. To do this, he summoned all those with worthy souls to enter into his newly created realm.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Jedah resisted soul **** when he was trying to up the gates.

Though he is over 6000 years old he is the youngest out of the three High nobles of Makai. His liquid body allows him to change into any shape he chooses. He is able to absorb the souls of others and can instantly increase his own powers.

He was always distressed about the future of Makai. He believes that if Makai left to rule by Berial, the master of the Aensland family and the true ruler of Makai, then it would grow old and begin to decay. Berial would most likely say that that is destiny and life. To Jedah, Berial was a being who should not exist. He had always looked for the opportunity to kill Berial and waited for the right time to strike.

After the death of Garunan, the master of the Bosital family and the oldest of the three high nobles, Jedah had a young confidant named Ozomu. Simply put, he was a gourmet. The reason he came under Jedah was to be able to eat delicious souls. As a noble, his skills were second class, but his ability to deceive others were first class. He was a genius in using others. He advised Jedah about using the gate of Makai. Jedah, being confident in his ability to absorb souls, agreed to this. He ordered Ozomu to break a part of the seal to open the gate more.

When Ozomu arrived at the gates, he realized that enormous powers lied within the gates. He realizd that even Jedah would destroy himself if he absorbed all this power at once and sees this as his chance to take over the throne. He lies to Jedah and tells him that he must destroy all the seals because little power was coming out. After destroying the seals, he ran off to the far reaches of Makai. The destruction of Jedah meant his rise in power and his plot succeeded. Though Jedah's absorbing powers were greater than Ozomu predicted, he was still destroyed due to the sheer amount of power seeping through.

Ozomu gathered the left over power and stored it in Dohma castle. This is how Ozomu became the new master of the Dohma family. The birth of Emperor Ozomu.

100 years later, after a century long sleep, Jedah was revived in Makai. He felt distressed towards the crazed Makai, nobles fighting each other and spilling blood. Instead of anger, he felt pity towards Ozomu, who had betrayed him. Jedah had already made up his mind. His complete revival and the cleansing of all souls. For this, a new stage was necessary. A new dimension, the Majigen.

Jedah arrived at Dohma castle and saw Ozomu and laid out his hand. Although his powers were not yet completely restored yet, he had enough powers to remove Ozomu. Ozomu had become a spineless gourmet. Ozomu's eyes had fear in them. Jedah quietly whispers, "Ozomu... I am sorry, but please lend me your powers. Your soul would become the foundation of Majigen and will help the future of Makai."

The Dohma castle was taken into the dark space along with Ozomu. This was the beginning of Ozomu's salvation. Jedah believed that he was the one that needed to recreate life by fusing all souls into one life form, the Shintai. To do this, he summoned all those with worthy souls to enter into his newly created realm.

This Now he can manipulated dimensions and and erased a whole dimension worth of soul.

Your simply taking the storyline from the Jedah respect thread I assume? or from the Pyron thread, this is where I found the story...

Thing is, how does this help your argument at all? it proves nothing except what we already know, most of which is irrelvent....we know Jedah was destroyed and came back, so? nothing about being deleted from excistence or anything about him erasing dimensions by himself, he can absorb souls sure but all the souls came through the gate after teh seals were broken, he didnt call upon this power by himself.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your simply taking the storyline from the Jedah respect thread I assume? or from the Pyron thread, this is where I found the story...

Thing is, how does this help your argument at all? it proves nothing except what we already know, most of which is irrelvent....we know Jedah was destroyed and came back, so? nothing about being deleted from excistence or anything about him erasing dimensions by himself, he can absorb souls sure but all the souls came through the gate after teh seals were broken, he didnt call upon this power by himself.

He did suck the souls out AFTER HE was erased from existence. He was ERASED FROM EXISTENCE BECAUSE NOTHING WAS LEFT OF HIM. He Gain the power to rip souls AFTER he was erased. So nothing Kain has can hurt him. He's liquid. He created Majitgen after seeing how ****ed up Makai was.

face it Kain isn't hurting him any time soon. He's best be fighting people at Dante level.

Originally posted by Phanteros
He did suck the souls out AFTER HE was erased from existence. He was ERASED FROM EXISTENCE BECAUSE NOTHING WAS LEFT OF HIM. He Gain the power to rip souls AFTER he was erased. So nothing Kain has can hurt him. He's liquid. He created Majitgen after seeing how ****ed up Makai was.

face it Kain isn't hurting him any time soon. He's best be fighting people at Dante level.

Where does it say nothing was left of him? it simply says he was destroyed and furthermore, if there was nothing left, theres still nothing that states he was the reason he was reborn....

Also Kain wins if Jedah is destroyed, its the same as defeat, and Jedah being a liquid body means little to Kain, infact it would prob allow Kain to easily drain him as a blood source with his blood TK and drink some, gaining Jedahs powers AND destroying him in the process. So a simple blood attack from Kain kills Jedah lolz...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Where does it say nothing was left of him? it simply says he was destroyed and furthermore, if there was nothing left, theres still nothing that states he was the reason he was reborn....

Also Kain wins if Jedah is destroyed, its the same as defeat, and Jedah being a liquid body means little to Kain, infact it would prob allow Kain to easily drain him as a blood source with his blood TK and drink some, gaining Jedahs powers AND destroying him in the process. So a simple blood attack from Kain kills Jedah lolz...

Jedah does't have blood he's made of magical substance. He was completely destroyed by the attack. Also I can say the same of Kain being destroyed. Once again, kid, Jedah doesn't have blood.

you wish that. but Jedah will just punt Kain across the the moon. Jedah with on punch can destroy Kain.

Seriously you can't even be taken seriously if you think Pyron<<<<Kain.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Jedah does't have blood he's made of magical substance. He was completely destroyed by the attack. Also I can say the same of Kain being destroyed. Once again, kid, Jedah doesn't have blood.

you wish that. but Jedah will just punt Kain across the the moon. Jedah with on punch can destroy Kain.

Is that so? can that be proven? Thing is Kain is more powerful than Jedah by feats and abilities that exist and can do them faster than Jedah can do any of his higher AOE powers so he is quite easily defeated with or without prep, with prep Kain stomps quite handily.

Not proven or shown unfortunately, merely fantasised.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Seriously you can't even be taken seriously if you think Pyron<<<<Kain.

If thats your only fallback argument you can flee with your tail between your legs, ad hominem 🙂

oh and Pyron is simply large and vulnerable, at least in his largest form, his actual impressive feats take too much time to be taken seriously by Kain.

If all you can do is bluster by spitting out irrelevencies and random information while ranting about how Jedah has apprently done something oh so imressive while not showing evidence, only to go onto fallacies and trolling me then your simply showing yourself up.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Is that so? can that be proven? Thing is Kain is more powerful than Jedah by feats and abilities that exist and can do them faster than Jedah can do any of his higher AOE powers so he is quite easily defeated with or without prep, with prep Kain stomps quite handily.

Not proven or shown unfortunately, merely fantasised.

If thats your only fallback argument you can flee with your tail between your legs, ad hominem 🙂

oh and Pyron is simply large and vulnerable, at least in his largest form, his actual impressive feats take too much time to be taken seriously by Kain.

If all you can do is bluster by spitting out irrelevencies and random information while ranting about how Jedah has apprently done something oh so imressive while not showing evidence, only to go onto fallacies and trolling me then your simply showing yourself up.

I did prove it Jedah by a five miles is Stronger than Kain. He teleported a castle and levitated it. He can do his ablities in short amount of time. Pyron Giant size Immortal Pyron can melt planets so how is Kain beating him also he movies faster than light and Dohma is stronger than him so how again is Kain beating him? And I did show evidence behind my text you just choose to ignore it.

most of the shit you come up with Kain was never shown doing.
I use Pyron to reverence the power gap between Jedah and Kain.

Jedah full powered>>>>>>Pyron who melts planets>>>>>>>>>>>K>>>>>>>>ain

He can also trap people in deminsions even if they can transverse them.

Kain was never really shown doing half the things BT says he can do.

Originally posted by Phanteros
I did prove it Jedah by a five miles is Stronger than Kain. He teleported a castle and levitated it. He can do his ablities in short amount of time. Pyron Giant size Immortal Pyron can melt planets so how is Kain beating him also he movies faster than light and Dohma is stronger than him so how again is Kain beating him? And I did show evidence behind my text you just choose to ignore it.

most of the shit you come up with Kain was never shown doing.
I use Pyron to reverence the power gap between Jedah and Kain.

Jedah full powered>>>>>>Pyron who melts planets>>>>>>>>>>>K>>>>>>>>ain

No you didnt, youve not shown Jedah lifting anything strengthwise and powerwise his powers are not as fast as Kains, so despite them reaching a larger area (millions/billions of souls rather than 1 at a time) Kain can get a soul or two quicker which considering Jedah having 1 soul, means he is doomed.

Pyron has melted planets? when? hes heated up one I belive but melted? show.....Pyron moves FTL on a few occasions, mostly while in a fetal position, not in a fight or combat or using any powers. Jedah can suck souls, Pyron is weak to that and is defeated in one shot, kinda like how Kain one shots Pyron.

Yes, I always choose to ignore evidence, it seems you are doing the same then, if I am.....ignoring evidence lol.....you have none, quote and bold evidence for Jedah being "strong".....or being able to do anything to Kain before hes screwed over....

Yes but then I provide official evidence and quotes to provide proof that he "can", youve proven nothing except that Jedah was destroyed lol

Kain who can take souls quickly or in a slash of his sword along with a vast array of other powers and defences>>>>>Jedah who takes souls slowly while almost invulerable>>>>>pyron who is vulerable to soul sucking and needs time to reach full speed and only provides major feats in his smaller form.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Kain was never really shown doing half the things BT says he can do.

Link was never shown throwing objects at high speed or surviving swords hitting his neck smart sir 🙂

Lifting enormous rock and throwing it behind you as fast as Link did means he can throw a much smaller rock a thousand times faster.

I love how rather than actually defend his own claims, BT tried to argue with physics and change the subject.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you didnt, youve not shown Jedah lifting anything strengthwise and powerwise his powers are not as fast as Kains, so despite them reaching a larger area (millions/billions of souls rather than 1 at a time) Kain can get a soul or two quicker which considering Jedah having 1 soul, means he is doomed.

Pyron has melted planets? when? hes heated up one I belive but melted? show.....Pyron moves FTL on a few occasions, mostly while in a fetal position, not in a fight or combat or using any powers. Jedah can suck souls, Pyron is weak to that and is defeated in one shot, kinda like how Kain one shots Pyron.

Yes, I always choose to ignore evidence, it seems you are doing the same then, if I am.....ignoring evidence lol.....you have none, quote and bold evidence for Jedah being "strong".....or being able to do anything to Kain before hes screwed over....

Yes but then I provide official evidence and quotes to provide proof that he "can", youve proven nothing except that Jedah was destroyed lol

Kain who can take souls quickly or in a slash of his sword along with a vast array of other powers and defences>>>>>Jedah who takes souls slowly while almost invulerable>>>>>pyron who is vulerable to soul sucking and needs time to reach full speed and only provides major feats in his smaller form.

Link was never shown throwing objects at high speed or surviving swords hitting his neck smart sir 🙂

You have shown no evidence that he can absorb Pyron just with your typical NO LIMITS FALLACY. I guess Kain can Hurt Galactus a guy who can bust the universe or Pyron who can melt a planet. Pyron has no soul he's a energy being. I like the fact you ignored the part where he came back and was fighting evenly with someone with Pyron's powers. Jedah is Death even if he has no soul you forget Kain failed to take Elder Gods soul so moot point about him taking Jedah's who actually has soul resisting feats unlike elder God. Jedah Plucks souls as fast as Kain. Kain doesn't even one shot bosses so I'm not sure what your getting at with him being able to one shot Jedah of all people.

Pyron full powered

And Jedah is>>>>>>him

Originally posted by Phanteros
You have shown no evidence that he can absorb Pyron just with your typical NO LIMITS FALLACY. I guess Kain can Hurt Galactus a guy who can bust the universe or Pyron who can melt a planet. Pyron has no soul he's a energy being. I like the fact you ignored the part where he came back and was fighting evenly with someone with Pyron's powers. Jedah is Death even if he has no soul you forget Kain failed to take Elder Gods soul so moot point about him taking Jedah's who actually has soul resisting feats unlike elder God. Jedah Plucks souls as fast as Kain. Kain doesn't even one shot bosses so I'm not sure what your getting at with him being able to one shot Jedah of all people.

Pyron full powered

And Jedah is>>>>>>him

I dont need evidence, the soul spell absorbs souls, Pyron has no soul resistance. The time stop stops time, Pyron cannot defend from it so he is defeated by that as well. Two ways Kain can defeat Pyron, one of which kills him. I find it funny you try and compare me saying Pyron is defeated by soul destruction to Galactus....whom could with a gesture destroy Pyron. being an energy being has no baring on your soul, Pyron used to be mortal, all hes done is evolved.

Having Pyrons power, is not the same as having Pyrons powers, and are there any specifics in this battle? show me Jedah punching and kicking or speed dodging etc etc

Ive not seen Jedahs soul resisting feats, unfortunately for you, your wrong about the EG who is immune to soul powers, or at least the soul reaver.

Bosses? this is not game play son....otherwise Kain gets infinite continues from the pause screen lol...dont be silly

Yes a picture i have seen 100 times, shows him absorbing hellstorm, his home planet.

Yes well, jedah is not a defenceless planet and neither is Kain.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lifting enormous rock and throwing it behind you as fast as Link did means he can throw a much smaller rock a thousand times faster.

official and canon information of what Kain can do=Kain actually doing it, if not>

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I love how rather than actually defend his own claims, BT tried to argue with physics and change the subject.

I dont have claims to defend, so far we have statements on Jedahs side, no evidence, although I like how you blunder in here, probably not even reading the thread and try and attack me when my opponent is stating random claims without proof 🙄

Originally posted by Burning thought
official and canon information of what Kain can do=Kain actually doing it, if not>

I dont have claims to defend, so far we have statements on Jedahs side, no evidence, although I like how you blunder in here, probably not even reading the thread and try and attack me when my opponent is stating random claims without proof 🙄

Contradictions.

Not really, because the statements are from Phanteros....so.....your obviously getting confused again lol...

Actually ask questions instead of constantly replying, you would learn a few things then so you dont make confusions and mistakes in the future.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont need evidence, the soul spell absorbs souls, Pyron has no soul resistance. The time stop stops time, Pyron cannot defend from it so he is defeated by that as well. Two ways Kain can defeat Pyron, one of which kills him. I find it funny you try and compare me saying Pyron is defeated by soul destruction to Galactus....whom could with a gesture destroy Pyron. being an energy being has no baring on your soul, Pyron used to be mortal, all hes done is evolved.

Having Pyrons power, is not the same as having Pyrons powers, and are there any specifics in this battle? show me Jedah punching and kicking or speed dodging etc etc

Ive not seen Jedahs soul resisting feats, unfortunately for you, your wrong about the EG who is immune to soul powers, or at least the soul reaver.

Bosses? this is not game play son....otherwise Kain gets infinite continues from the pause screen lol...dont be silly

Yes a picture i have seen 100 times, shows him [b]absorbing hellstorm, his home planet.

Yes well, jedah is not a defenceless planet and neither is Kain.

official and canon information of what Kain can do=Kain actually doing it, if not>

I dont have claims to defend, so far we have statements on Jedahs side, no evidence, although I like how you blunder in here, probably not even reading the thread and try and attack me when my opponent is stating random claims without proof 🙄 [/B]

Jedah was resisting his destruction by the gate for some time until he was destroyed. Soul resistent feat. how is Kain going to even reach pyron? also is this after Pyron destroys the planet because Kain won't even get the move off in time. He was beating the crap out of Morrigan who was a bullet timer. and you seem to for get that Jedah can port people in deminsions and trap them there.

LOL Jedah as a higher chance of of surviving a planets destruction because he is capable of of space flight.