Originally posted by Galan007
-what feats does Abraxas have that lead you to the conclusion that he could destroy AM?
He can do everything AM can. He wanted the UN so he could do it in one fell swoop.
-by having superior feats. you see, usually the character with superior feats wins the battle.
You're kidding right? I always thought you were better than this nonsense.
Originally posted by Galan007how many universes did we actually see abraxas destroy?
There were another 9 Universes the writer stated Abraxas would collapse.
Those were the ones we know about, as far as individualism,
then there's the fact that at the end Reed had to realign "all that was"
suggesting, everything was out of wack,
or in other words,
the Multiverse entire was collapsing courtesy of Abraxas' presence.
Abraxas also displayed influence over reality across infinity simultaneously,
when he was killing every Reed in infinity with a gesture.
Originally posted by Galan007i remember seeing a universe being torn apart,
but i don't remember any having actually been destroyed... regardless, i know for a fact he didn't destroy the number of universes AM did.
Originally posted by Galan007so in the department of displayed power output, AM >.
Nothing imo suggests this equation to be true.
Originally posted by Galan007and abraxas never demonstrated anything on panel
that leads me to believe he could harm AM. at all.
Originally posted by Galan007the fact that abraxas has yet to be seen since that arc [nearly a decade] is more than enough to say his 'reign of terror' was certainly ended.
His reign of terror will easily appear again if 616 Galactus 'dies' again.
Originally posted by Galan007AM, however, survived the exact same type of 'attack' which utterly annihilated abraxas - and afterwards, was none the worse for wear, really.
so in the area of durability, AM >.
Heck, Eternity, who sunders and creates entire Universes anew all day every day,
who can rebirth every Universe if he wanted,
could've easily remade creation,
but that was not the solution, the solution was the UN's nullfication capabilities,
which is to erase an act from ever having taken place.
So a new Marvel Universe was created where Abraxas never manifested,
from his prison within Eternity.
Remember, the same totality that AM nearly destroyed, (an infinite Multiverse)
was afraid of Abraxas, and had to seek help against Abraxas.
Meh, Eternity actually represents time across the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Galan007no. AM destroyed all but 3 of an infinite amount of universes, seemingly one by one. however, he absorbed the entirety of their combined energies, in one foul swoop.
AM destroying one, all or but 3 of an infinite amount of realities means little,
as Abraxas was fuly capable and on his way to doing the same shit
only he was stopped by the UN before completing his task.
Same story with AM, he was stoped before reaching the finish line.
I don't see any difference.
Originally posted by Galan007in nearly all areas, AM's on panel feats are > those of abraxas.
Originally posted by Galan007that said, if one character's displayed feats are better than another character's, there's no reason to believe said [stronger] character wouldn't be victorious in a given battle.
Originally posted by Galan007AM ftw.
k but how did Abraxas exacly destroy those universes? iirc he dint destroy the universes themselve, only it was consequence of all the Galactuses deaths wich caused universes to colapse, right? 🤨 (kinda like takin whole building down not by busting the bulding but by takin out a few pilars)
unless im mixin up with somethin else 🙁
Originally posted by SoulDevourerk but how did Abraxas exacly destroy those universes? iirc he dint destroy the universes themselve, only it was consequence of all the Galactuses deaths wich caused universes to colapse, right? (kinda like takin whole building down not by busting the bulding but by takin out a few pilars)
Basically, he gets close to a Universe (not even entering it)
and said Universe begins to collapse,
simple as that.
Galactuses dying have nothing to do with Abraxas' ability to collapse Universes,
in fact Universes do not collapse because of any Galactus dying.
The Marvelverse entire begins to collapse because 616 Galactus dies,
but this collpase is what Abraxas is.
Basically, Abaraxas is the embodiment of that collapse taking place,
because of 616 Galactus dying. (returning to his natural state)
But the collapsing itself is Abraxas' power at work.
Originally posted by Mr Masterso hes what like another Oblivion? 🤨 (but then the UN worked on him so that means hes < Oblivion)
Basically, Abaraxas is the embodiment of that collapse taking place,
what if he dint kill the Galactuses in the other realities, those realities would of still collapsed?
or did the others collapse only because 616 was collapsing? (cuz iirc they said something about 616 reality being special or somethin, if it goes then the rest also goes with it)
Originally posted by SoulDevourerso hes what like another Oblivion?
(but then the UN worked on him so that means hes < Oblivion)
And Oblivion is nothing like Abraxas,
they're two completely different entities with different purposes.
Originally posted by SoulDevourerwhat if he dint kill the Galactuses in the other realities,
those realities would of still collapsed?
Originally posted by SoulDevoureror did the others collapse only because 616 was collapsing? (cuz iirc they said something about 616 reality being special or somethin, if it goes then the rest also goes with it)
Originally posted by Mr Masterno1 but it make sense dont it? (if Oblivion is nulified then he still exist cuz he is nulification, so if hes nulified then hes not nulified 😮)
Who said Oblivion is immune to the UN?
Originally posted by Mr Masterso u think its gonna work in the DC multiverse too? (where theres no galactus)
Yes, since like I said,
it's Abraxas' presence that collapses Universes
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33allrite
Nope. The multiverse was reset to the way it was before Abraxas was released.
but AM dont just destroy universes he eats them (iirc he absorb them into himself or something, thats what it look like anyway) so if Abraxas is in it then at best hes just trapped inside the AM, at worse hes nulified/digested along with the universe 😂
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33no feats abraxas has are better than AM's. you've posted nothing to the contrary.
You're kidding right? I always thought you were better than this nonsense.
Originally posted by Mr Master*sighs*
It was the UN that defeated Abraxas,
a weapon,
not a being re-creating reality on top of his opponent,
that affect, was the UN's side-affect as a result.Heck, Eternity, who sunders and creates entire Universes anew all day every day,
who can rebirth every Universe if he wanted,
could've easily remade creation,
but that was not the solution, the solution was the UN's nullfication capabilities,
which is to erase an act from ever having taken place.
the blast unleashed destroyed creation [the multiverse] from it's beginning, then melded said infinity into a single universe. the SAME thing totally owned abraxas. AM, however, rather easily survived it.
no matter how you try and justify things, AM's displayed durability > abraxas'.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAM did not have to absorb a universe, to destroy one. none it was only at the end [after he'd destroyed almost an infinite amount of them] that he absorbed their cumulative power.
Abraxas was collapsing the entire Marvelverse,
and didn't need to absorb any of it in order to do so.AM destroying one, all or but 3 of an infinite amount of realities means little,
as Abraxas was fuly capable and on his way to doing the same
only he was stopped by the UN before completing his task.as Abraxas was fuly capable and on his way to doing the same
anyhow, a character being fully capable of doing something means very little [almost nothing,] when compared to a character who has ACTUALLY done so, on panel. that said, AM destroying nearly an infinite amount of universes, on panel > abraxas destroying a handful of them, on panel.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed331.) if you actually look at the depiction, it's very clear that AM wasn't 'nearly killed'. as he had already reformed [in his energy form] on the very next page.
AM isn't that durable. He was nearly killed by Supergirl.
2.) the second shell he built as a result of her attack was FAR more durable than the first shell. it took a multiverse-busting attack to even rupture it.
Originally posted by Galan007
how many universes did we actually see abraxas destroy? i remember seeing a universe being torn apart, but i don't remember any having actually been destroyed... regardless, i know for a fact he didn't destroy the number of universes AM did.so in the department of displayed power output, AM >.
and abraxas never demonstrated anything on panel that leads me to believe he could harm AM. at all.
the fact that abraxas has yet to be seen since that arc [nearly a decade] is more than enough to say his 'reign of terror' was certainly ended.
AM, however, survived the exact same type of 'attack' which utterly annihilated abraxas - and afterwards, was none the worse for wear, really.
so in the area of durability, AM >.
no. AM destroyed all but 3 of an infinite amount of universes, seemingly one by one. however, he absorbed the entirety of their combined energies, in one foul swoop.
in nearly all areas, AM's on panel feats are > those of abraxas. that said, if one character's displayed feats are better than another character's, there's no reason to believe said [stronger] character wouldn't be victorious in a given battle.
AM ftw.
yep. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
no feats abraxas has are better than AM's. you've posted nothing to the contrary.*sighs*
the blast unleashed destroyed creation [the multiverse] from it's beginning, then melded said infinity into a single universe. the SAME thing totally owned abraxas. AM, however, rather easily survived it.
no matter how you try and justify things, AM's displayed durability > abraxas'.
AM did not have to absorb a universe, to destroy one. none it was only at the end [after he'd destroyed almost an infinite amount of them] that he absorbed their cumulative power.
anyhow, a character being fully capable of
doing something means very little [almost nothing,] when compared to a character who has ACTUALLY done so, on panel. that said, AM destroying nearly an infinite amount of universes, on panel > abraxas destroying a handful of them, on panel.
1.) if you actually look at the depiction, it's very clear that AM wasn't 'nearly killed'. as he had already reformed [in his energy form] on the very next page.
2.) the second shell he built as a result of her attack was FAR more durable than the first shell. it took a multiverse-busting attack to even rupture it.
yep. again. 🙂