With weapons and ninpo this is probably a stomp, but strictly hand to hand combat is a tough call. It is difficult to guage hand to hand prowess when the fighters aren't from the same game but are near the top of their respective games.
If we give Street Fighter the benefit of the doubt, I could see a 5/5 split. Without it, Gen may prove a hinderance to the team. As per the usual though, DOA has the speed and teleportation advantage.
If you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick, I guess I'd go with Team Ninja. Gen might get dropped early on which leaves one ninja free to assist the others.
Honestly, the SF side has too many powerful peeps on it. Switch akuma, gen, and gouken wit other folks and that would be cool. Hayabusa is SUPER FAST and is really the only guy on the ninja squad wit SUPER speed feats. The others are damn fast but they don't make the match seem like Zangief VS Sonic.
Team Ninja is faster tho, but team SF is more powerful, noticeably more powerful while the DOA catz are just reasonably faster. Ayane seemed to turn into light at one point (not sure) but you can't do any real damage when your made of light (if that's what it was).
Ninpo would help but seein' as how Hayabusa is the only cat to be seen usin' it at a respectable level, doesn't really boast well for the rest of the team. IMO, even wit ninpo, they still go down kinda hard. You got Akuma thrwoin' out damn near 20 fireballs in a second and all that other shit we've come to know and love or hate on and all of it witout goin' Shin. Akuma alone could take the DOA guys on by himself (wont win cuz of Hayabusa who is pretty close to Akuma, IMO). Then you have Gouken who can fight Akuma inside of an eruptin' volcano and the man can punch a river off of a water fall and survive the SGS AFTER gettin' hit it. Gen can hit you wit an attack that gives you 10 secs to live and moves fast enough to create tornadoes wit his body and the dude is like 70 yrs old wit leukemia and can survive a sealin fallin' on'em. Sagat's the weak link but he aint bad either. Man nearly killed Adon in weakened state. Killed a Grizzly bear wit a Tiger Uppercut and created a small tremor at the same time.
IMO, Team SF takes this, give Hayabusa his weapons or take the masters outta this bout and then the fight would be better.
Originally posted by Overdose
Ninpo would help but seein' as how Hayabusa is the only cat to be seen usin' it at a respectable level, doesn't really boast well for the rest of the team. IMO, even wit ninpo, they still go down kinda hard.IMO, Team SF takes this, give Hayabusa his weapons or take the masters outta this bout and then the fight would be better.
Team Ninja basically auto-wins with ninpo and/or weapons.
I don't want to derail this thread, but it needed to be said.
Originally posted by StyleTime
With ninpo and weapons allowed, Team Ninja stomps Team Master. That's why Snafu changed the stipulations. Ayane becomes a massive threat when put on a team. Add in the fact that her team consists of people she works with regularly, and Team Master is doomed. Team Ninja need only defend Ayane for about 4 seconds while she powers up. She would then one shot the Street Fighter team.Team Ninja basically auto-wins with ninpo and/or weapons.
I don't want to derail this thread, but it needed to be said.
I stated what I thought as did you. I have no intentions of arguin' wit you about how the DOA guys will o will not win. Akuma can quite literally wipe out team 1 in one move no prep, no charge...instantly. Team 2 can sit back and watch Akuma destroy the entire battle field in 1 move, ninpo and all. 😂
If you think that any of the DOA cats can survive Island destroyin', submarine, ship smashin, and mountain splittin' attacks just cuz they have ninpo. Then we don't even need to engage each other
I had to restore my computer to factory defaults. 🙁
Originally posted by NemeBro
Literally everyone on team 2 can one-shot anyone on team 1.
Originally posted by Overdose
...And you felt the need to tell me this, why? If you gotta a problem wit my opinion go find a shrink. Don't talk to me cuz I can't help you.I stated what I thought as did you. I have no intentions of arguin' wit you about how the DOA guys will o will not win. Akuma can quite literally wipe out team 1 in one move no prep, no charge...instantly. Team 2 can sit back and watch Akuma destroy the entire battle field in 1 move, ninpo and all. 😂
If you think that any of the DOA cats can survive Island destroyin', submarine, ship smashin, and mountain splittin' attacks just cuz they have ninpo. Then we don't even need to engage each other
Akuma could most certainly destroy the battlefield. I don't think he'd wipe the whole team out at once though. He'd honestly only succeed in destroying his own team that way. The ninja could simply teleport to safety and come back to fight him as a group.
I never said any of that. Obviously, they'd go down if struck.
Originally posted by StyleTimeEr debate turns into an argument 'round here, which is why I rarely engage. I understand your points, but I do not agree for reasons already stated.Akuma could most certainly destroy the battlefield. I don't think he'd wipe the whole team out at once though. He'd honestly only succeed in destroying his own team that way. The ninja could simply teleport to safety and come back to fight him as a group.
I never said any of that. Obviously, they'd go down if struck.
The thing about this is, most of the cats on Akuma's side have fought'im before and are officially around his level. I think they can avoid Akuma hittin'em wit his attacks. Team ninja can teleport away, but what is stoppin' Akuma from Asura Senku'in to avoid attacks as well. Team Ninja is gonna have to spend the entire match runnin' cuz most guys on Team 2 have "1 shot near-instant human killer moves."
Originally posted by NemeBro
Gouken is Akuma's level, Gen's style bypasses physical defense and attacks internally, Sagat is just really really manly(Yeah...), Gouki can solo with these stips.
You do bring up an interesting point about Gen though. That may be enough to sway things towards his team.
Originally posted by Overdose
Er debate turns into an argument 'round here, which is why I rarely engage. I understand your points, but I do not agree for reasons already stated.The thing about this is, most of the cats on Akuma's side have fought'im before and are officially around his level. I think they can avoid Akuma hittin'em wit his attacks. Team ninja can teleport away, but what is stoppin' Akuma from Asura Senku'in to avoid attacks as well. Team Ninja is gonna have to spend the entire match runnin' cuz most guys on Team 2 have "1 shot near-instant human killer moves."
In an everything(weapons,etc) goes fight, the biggest problem for Team SF is that Akuma and Gouken are basically fighting alone. Noone on on Team 2 can block swords. You're right that Gen can be dangerous but he can also be taken down at range where he is useless. Sagat can't one shot anyone while the ninja can all cut his throat quite easily. In all honesty, two of the ninja could just teleport behind Sagat and Gen and slit their throats at the start. Gouken and Akuma would be too busy with the other two to help. It's then 2 against 4.
What's funny is, I'd agree with you if DOA didn't get weapons/ninpo but SF got to use ki. I just think with all their tools allowed, the ninja are just a bad matchup for this group. It'd basically be four expert fighters vs four expert fighters with swords and other weapons. I am not saying that the ninja are more "powerful" or anything.
Originally posted by StyleTimeGouki's entire style requires Ki, the Satsui no Hadou is ki. I assumed he meant no special techniques that use Ki, like the KKZ or the Shoryuken for instance. He used no specific attack to destroy the island.
Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the original stipulations. The reason I think that match is close is due to the hand to hand rules. All of Akuma's "one hitter quitters" I've seen appear to require ki. Since this is basically a vale tudo match, a quick (one shot) victory seems unlikely for either team.You do bring up an interesting point about Gen though. That may be enough to sway things towards his team.