Team Ninja vs Team Master (Street Fighter)

So any attack that features ki as the vehicle for damage is banned?

Yeah, I'll side with Nemebro. This match is basically set up for the ninja to lose. Team Master loses projectiles, but that was never really what they relied on here. Akuma is still allowed to ki amp to island sinking levels, instant hell murder, ashura senku etc. Team Ninja has no real "defensive" ninpo so their options are very limited here. They could pull a few wins though.

Team Master 8/10 unless the ninja teleport to the other side of the battlefield and wait for the match end. They could force a stalemate.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Still, they don't have a way to avoid large scale attacks from Akuma. I agree that Asura Senku would help Akuma though.

In an everything(weapons,etc) goes fight, the biggest problem for Team SF is that Akuma and Gouken are basically fighting alone. Noone on on Team 2 can block swords. You're right that Gen can be dangerous but he can also be taken down at range where he is useless. Sagat can't one shot anyone while the ninja can all cut his throat quite easily. In all honesty, two of the ninja could just teleport behind Sagat and Gen and slit their throats at the start. Gouken and Akuma would be too busy with the other two to help. It's then 2 against 4.

What's funny is, I'd agree with you if DOA didn't get weapons/ninpo but SF got to use ki. I just think with all their tools allowed, the ninja are just a bad matchup for this group. It'd basically be four expert fighters vs four expert fighters with swords and other weapons. I am not saying that the ninja are more "powerful" or anything.

They don't have to block the swords, they can simply move outta the way. Gen is a very skilled assassin who can easily kill weapon wielding ninja, he used to do it for a living. There is actually a canon back story in the SF comic wit a ninja blowin' a poison dart from behind, Gen catches it and hits the ninja in the throat and kills'em. And ninjas don't actually teleport, it's actually an illusionary tactic, this is why when ninjas "teleport" there is always smoke or leaves. They leave it behind so that your eye focuses on those objects while they simply move outta eye sight. It's not like they can vanish in Chicago and appear in Tokyo in seconds. I can assure you that it wont be as easy as you make it sound to sneak up behind Gen. Gen can also sense chi so he really doesn't have to see you to know where you are.
I must say, I can't really speak fro Sagat, tho. He's better than Ryu but that's about it. They may can take him out.

My point was simply, the weapons are just weapons for all but Hayabusa. A sword, kunais and ninja style magic chi blasts won't turn the gang into super saiyins. SF has Geki and Ibuki and Ibuki, quite honestly, has done pretty much er thang the DOA guys have done AND she uses weapons in-game, she is also the FG genre's most traditional/realistic ninja and she's not even near top of the line. Hayabusa is an exception, we know many of Hayabusa's weapons grant him power ups and such but I've not seen that for the others.

Originally posted by Snafu the Great
Just as I've said. Special moves that [B]does not fire off anything are allowed. Offensive ki and ninpo attacks are banned. Defensive ki and ninpo moves are allowed. [/B]

Originally posted by Overdose
They don't have to avoid the attack. Seein' as how they have faced Akuma before and lived, I would assume that they can simply withstand it.

They don't have to block the swords, they can simply move outta the way. Gen is a very skilled assassin who can easily kill weapon wielding ninja, he used to do it for a living. There is actually a canon back story in the SF comic wit a ninja blowin' a poison dart from behind, Gen catches it and hits the ninja in the throat and kills'em. And ninjas don't actually teleport, it's actually an illusionary tactic, this is why when ninjas "teleport" there is always smoke or leaves. They leave it behind so that your eye focuses on those objects while they simply move outta eye sight. It's not like they can vanish in Chicago and appear in Tokyo in seconds. I can assure you that it wont be as easy as you make it sound to sneak up behind Gen. Gen can also sense chi so he really doesn't have to see you to know where you are.
I must say, I can't really speak fro Sagat, tho. He's better than Ryu but that's about it. They may can take him out.

My point was simply, the weapons are just weapons for all but Hayabusa. A sword, kunais and ninja style magic chi blasts won't turn the gang into super saiyins. SF has Geki and Ibuki and Ibuki, quite honestly, has done pretty much er thang the DOA guys have done AND she uses weapons in-game, she is also the FG genre's most traditional/realistic ninja and she's not even near top of the line. Hayabusa is an exception, we know many of Hayabusa's weapons grant him power ups and such but I've not seen that for the others.

I see what you're saying. To be honest, I just mentioned the teleport+ stab combo to say how they could get a couple of wins. I don't think it would work on Gen everytime. Still, I don't see him, or Sagat, dodging the blades long enough to win. Team Ninja is just plain faster than Team Master. It's impressive that Gen caught the dart, but Team Ninja really is more dangerous than that. For example, they all have explosive kunai/arrows/etc. Gen would be forced to dodge since catching those is unwise. I'm not saying that alone wins the match; I am simply illustrating one way in which they are above the ninja Gen fought.

As for the mechanics of teleporting, you are right. It's not some genetic ability like Nightcrawler's. Still, it allows them to avoid all damage and to travel. I'm honestly unsure if they can swiftly teleport from Chicago to Tokyo, but they have shown the ability to travel to a specific spot when they want.

Hayabusa has a solo game, so he has more feats. Hayate, despite having the weakest feats, has beaten Hayabusa before. Both Kasumi and Ayane have beaten Hayate. They are all peers. The weapons will provide them about the same advantage they would Hayabusa. It won't make them super saiyins, but it does bump them up a tier or two. It also makes them bad matchups for a lot of fighters.

Ibuki would lose to any of Team Ninja and she has not replicated their acheivements. She is cool, but her slightly more realistic abilities are actually why she is weaker than they are.