World'sFunniest Mxyzptlk runs the gauntlet

Started by Enyalus2 pages

Originally posted by Galan007
damn. you're good! 😛

I'm going to profile that some day, completely out of context.

Originally posted by Galan007
as far as displayed power output is concerned, i completely agree. mxy easily vaporized the entirety of DC, then recreated it all with a snap. but when considering the force that mike/lucy have already tanked, it's hard to imagine mxy being able to do more than stalemate them..

Ah, so your stance is kinda like mine in the Abraxas vs. AM thread? Mxy has more power, but WTF is he going to be able to do to put them down?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah, so your stance is kinda like mine in the Abraxas vs. AM thread? Mxy has more power, but WTF is he going to be able to do to put them down?
not really. in the case of lucifer, i see him having an advantage for more reasons than just his uber durability. meaning, he should be able to warp nigh-anything most characters [mxy included] could throw at him - his powerset and feats are certainly suggestive of such. abraxas, however, cannot make that type of claim, based on his feats/showings [hence my differing opinion in that thread.]

Originally posted by Enyalus

I'd go back and look if I had it on me, but I had thought there were one, if not two angels flying around during Mxy and Bat-mite's little scuffle. And afterwards they destroyed it, so...they pwn'd Heaven. That tells me they're above either Lucy or Mxy.

That 'multiversal' big bang, Mike had to die to create. Granted, Lucy was standing right there when it went off...But, the whole multiversal thing was a retcon, what, 50+ issues later? It was originally a single universe.

Unless you count the instance where Michael swatted the Spectre away in DC (and, I'm not even clear if there's a consensus on it being the same Michael as in Vertigo, or a different being entirely), Michael and Lucy didn't impress me as much as WF Mxy did. [/B]

Enyalus you liar.

Originally posted by Galan007
not really. in the case of lucifer, i see him having an advantage for more reasons than just his uber durability. meaning, he should be able to warp nigh-anything most characters [mxy included] could throw at him

You're saying Lucy's a better reality/energy/matter warper than Mxy??

Because if you mean talking him down and confusing or tricking the hell out of him, I would agree.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Enyalus you liar.

Hm?

Hey Galan,

How do you see Mxy doing against LT, HOTU and Elaine?

Being capable of producing (Michael) and taking (Lucifer) the creation destroying/making blasts (Thanos w/THOTU if you actually belive he destroyed/recreated all of Marvel) are, for all intents and purposes, the ultimate feats in my eyes. Thus why I have both Michael & Lucifer just below Supreme Beings. (And the Cosmic Superman/Mandrakk.. but that's something different)

Originally posted by shokosugi
Enyalus you liar.

Supes isn't a factor in this thread so why are you posting Shoko?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Being capable of producing (Michael) and taking (Lucifer) the creation destroying/making blasts (Thanos w/THOTU if you actually belive he destroyed/recreated all of Marvel) are, for all intents and purposes, the ultimate feats in my eyes. Thus why I have both Michael & Lucifer just below Supreme Beings. (And the Cosmic Superman/Mandrakk.. but that's something different)

Hey Philo, I do see your points on Michael and Lucy and do agree those are some of the most impressive feats to be able to do that. I also feel they are just below supreme beings.

I also asked Galan... How do you seen Mxy doing against the LT, Pr Beyonder, Elaine and Thanos HOTU.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Being capable of producing (Michael) and taking (Lucifer) the creation destroying/making blasts (Thanos w/THOTU if you actually belive he destroyed/recreated all of Marvel) are, for all intents and purposes, the ultimate feats in my eyes.

Uh, why?

That was one multiverse. And not the large-ass mainstream one. Not all of DC. You're comparing it to, if you actually believe it, someone who created/destroyed all of the mainstream Marvel Universe.

Mxy's feat in World's Funnest would be closer to what Thanos w/ HOTU did...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Uh, why?

That was one multiverse. And not the large-ass mainstream one. Not all of DC. You're comparing it to, if you actually believe it, someone who created/destroyed all of the mainstream Marvel Universe.

Mxy's feat in World's Funnest would be closer to what Thanos w/ HOTU did...

Terminology is irrelevant. Just because its totality has evolved/is called a Multiverse/Megaverse/Omniverse, it still sprang from the original Big Bang.

Michael was about to destroy the whole of creation before he got out into the void, where he exploded into yet another Big Bang that had only been seen when the original Big Bang took place. Essentially, what Thanos w/THOTU did Michael did twice and no limit was actually shown (and hasn't even been implied to have one, actually its the contrary) to how many times he could have done it.

What Mxy did is impressive but, in the end, if we consider the Lucifer series in the same Universe with the Mxy/main DCU one (eventough they aren't, though they do share many similarities) then Mxy himself, along with the 5th dimension, are a by-product of Michael's power.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Terminology is irrelevant. Just because its totality has evolved/is called a Multiverse/Megaverse/Omniverse, it still sprang from the original Big Bang.

Michael was essentially about to destroy the whole of creation before he got out into the void, where he exploded into yet another Big Bang that had only been seen when the original Big Bang took place. Essentially, what Thanos w/THOTU did Michael did twice and no limit was actually shown (and hasn't even been implied to have one, actually its the contrary) to how many times he could have done it.

What Mxy did is impressive but, in the end, if we consider the Lucifer series in the same Universe with the Mxy/main DCU one (eventough they aren't, though they do share many similarities) then Mxy himself, along with the 5th dimension, are a by-product of Michael's power.

If I follow you, you're using the assumption of the classic interpretation that Yahweh bestowed his demiurgic power to Michael, and Michael created the DC omniverse. If you are, problem with that is that there's so many different variations to that now that it's almost irrelevant, IMO. The Source creating it. Krona creating it by accident. The Monitor creating it. Synnar creating it. 😐

Personally, I'd solve that problem by saying that Michael's power created the Vertigo Multiverse. And then yeah, out in the Void he created another one, which Lucy shaped. It's still different - less than - The Source creating the main DCU or Krona accidentally creating an infinite number of multiverses, etc. And it's different (less than) Mxy destroying and recreating those infinite number of universes.

...All my take on matters, of course. 😕

Originally posted by Enyalus
If I follow you, you're using the assumption of the classic interpretation that Yahweh bestowed his demiurgic power to Michael, and Michael created the DC omniverse. If you are, problem with that is that there's so many different variations to that now that it's almost irrelevant, IMO. The Source creating it. Krona creating it by accident. The Monitor creating it. Synnar creating it. 😐

Personally, I'd solve that problem by saying that Michael's power created the Vertigo Multiverse. And then yeah, out in the Void he created another one, which Lucy shaped. It's still different - less than - The Source creating the main DCU or Krona accidentally creating an infinite number of multiverses, etc. And it's different (less than) Mxy destroying and recreating those infinite number of universes.

...All my take on matters, of course. 😕

I'm not using that, in fact I even said that..

Originally posted by Philosophía
they aren't, though they do share many similarities
..but, if that were the case, then Mxy would be inferior to Michael from the get-go.

And yes, there are many variations of DCU's origins, though I prefer the Superman Beyond one because being metatextual and all, in a away, it encompasses all others.

Why would the original Big Bang (Michael) be any different from the ones that created the DCU and Marvel Universes specifically ? Like I said, using terminology doesn't make any difference because they all were created from the zero point, the big-bang, from which all energy sprang forth.

To make my point, for example, in Marvel, certain decisions being taken differently lead to separate Universes where things have gone differently (What ifs and the like). Would you say that when that happens, the energy necessary for that comes out of nowhere (God goes all 'here, take some more energy for that Universe'😉 or it's still the energy from the original Big Bang, only splintered in a different Universe ? Another one would be, the example you just mentioned, with Krona and the whole Multiverse debacle. Assuming Krona did that, would you say that, again, the energy necessary for the infinite Multiverse came from nowhere again or, yet again, it was the energy from the initial big-bang ?

It's the same principle in Michael's case. The Big Bang that he created can evolve into something more but, in the end, it's the same power (his) that made this all possible.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You're saying Lucy's a better reality/energy/matter warper than Mxy??
lucifer wanted mike's energies to be transformed into a multiverse, and so, they were. this leads me to believe that if he wanted mxy's creation-destroying energies to transform into a can of pickles [or whatever] they also would. infinite will is a b*tch like that.

however, that's not to say mxy would be incapable of doing the same thing to lucifer's attacks. get what i'm saying?

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