Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A mindless Hulk? Since when are we using a mindless Hulk? The damn thread title even says Savage Hulk and you refer to Savage Hulk plenty of times.Your making this up as you go.
Savage or mindless is the same to me. Professor, Savage, and Fixit are the hulks that I know.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
his force was able to repel reality and worlds. he was more powerful in that issue and thor's apperance, yet it took thor ALL his might to stand his ground. Hulk on the other hand walked through it. it's not that hard to understand.
Gale force winds were able to repel reality? That's obviously due to the fact that they are in the crossroads. You don't see reality being repelled whenever Thor or Storm throws up a Storm.
I mean seriously I think it's completely stupid, that Hulk has any trouble with gale force winds, but your the one who posted the scan. srug
It took all his might for Thor to hold his footing and not be thrown back, by Vector's power and the power of X-ray at point blank range. I don't see how that's a worse showing than apparent gale force winds being an ultimate struggle and nearly ripping of your skin.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gale force winds were able to repel reality? That's obviously due to the fact that they are in the crossroads. You don't see reality being repelled whenever Thor or Storm throws up a Storm.I mean seriously I think it's completely stupid, that Hulk has any trouble with gale force winds, but your the one who posted the scan. srug
It took all his might for Thor to hold his footing and not be thrown back, by Vector's power and the power of X-ray at point blank range. I don't see how that's a worse showing than apparent gale force winds being an ultimate struggle and nearly ripping of your skin.
they didn't get to the cross roads, unless Vector went all out. it was all Vector that held him back. X-Ray just poured on the radiation that thor absorbed.
BTW, this is the Hulk that I mean in this thread.
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/incarnations/mindless.html
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Savage or mindless is the same to me. Professor, Savage, and Fixit are the hulks that I know.
That's your problem. The Savage Hulk and Mindless Hulk are completely different and it's rather clear that the Mindless incarnation is superior. He is up there with Green Scar.
You keep using Mindless Hulk, but I just go along with it.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
BTW, this is the Hulk that I mean in this thread.http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/incarnations/mindless.html
Nice, you changed the thread specifications to suit your argument. 👆
You were clearly using Savage Hulk. Do you want me to quote you?
Even according to the bio you just posted, it's rather clear that the Mindless Hulk is completely different to Savage Hulk and is superior.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
well, now that we got that cleared up... we can now say Raven has zero chance here.
facepalm
Yes, because you changed the thread specifications to suit yourself.
How the hell is Raven supposed to change Mindless Hulk and calm him down when there is no Bruce Banner to calm down into?
That's some real great debating there. 👆
Originally posted by Prep-Man
yeah, but i didn't change it like you're thinking, just got the hulk mixed up. raven loses.
No you didn't. You just got frustrated and at the presentation of evidence at Raven using her empathy to beat Savage Hulk and did a 180 and changed it from Savage Hulk to Mindless Hulk. A Hulk which there is no Banner to turn into and is nothing but pure rage.
It's rather clear you intended to use Savage Hulk, as you were using and referring to him for the last 6 pages, and you suddenly come to the conclusion this is Mindless Hulk? Lulz. What a fail.
Titans still win.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
they didn't get to the cross roads, unless Vector went all out. it was all Vector that held him back. X-Ray just poured on the radiation that thor absorbed.
If him going all out can only causes gale force winds when he clearly stated he has hurled planets, than those planets must have been the size of beach balls. If he consider planets what scientists and everyone else considers planets, then either (a) he was holding back extremely against the Hulk. Using only a fraction of his power or (b) he was full of hyperbole and crap.
Really Thor's showing was a better showing of durability clearly, but Hulk's showing wasn't a superior showing of strength as apparently all that was being thrown at him was gale force winds. Thor and yes the Hulk as well have both walked right through much more force than that.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
believe what you want, but as the madder the hulk gets the more mindless he gets. i favor hulk here. and if i was frustrated or mad, i wouldn't still be debating.
The madder he gets the angrier and more brutal he gets. Since when does that mean he gets more Mindless.
Mindless Hulk is a Hulk without Banner. A Hulk that had no human limitations to hold him back and pure rage and is superior to Savage Hulk clearly. The same Hulk as I recall that beat down an Avengers team made up of Hercules, Namor, Wonder Man, Iron Man and other members. He punched through Onslaught's armor (Circumstances there.). Fun fact, Thor stalemated this Hulk while holding back and when he got serious knocked him on his ass with one blow. And Hercules is supposedly Thor's equal. Lulz.
How you can get the two confused is beyond me.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The madder he gets the angrier and more brutal he gets. Since when does that mean he gets more Mindless.Mindless Hulk is a Hulk without Banner. A Hulk that had no human limitations to hold him back and pure rage and is superior to Savage Hulk clearly. The same Hulk as I recall that beat down an Avengers team made up of Hercules, Namor, Wonder Man, Iron Man and other members. He punched through Onslaught's armor (Circumstances there.). Fun fact, Thor stalemated this Hulk while holding back and when he got serious knocked him on his ass with one blow. And Hercules is supposedly Thor's equal. Lulz.
How you can get the two confused is beyond me.
yes, it's beyond me, too. y, you have to believe me! 😉
And, yes, different characters are portrayed at different levels. but I don't consider Herc to be equal to thor.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
but he wasn't holding back as we can see. he was still going all out and was actually more powerful in that issue.
So then you pick option (b)? Meaning his full of crap and hyperbole? That doesn't make it a good showing for Hulk. It makes it a horrible showing, as if gale force winds can do that to him, Storm would be the Hulk with some wind which is not the case in my opinion. Far from the case. Hulk should laugh at that level of power.
I don't recall it being stated he wasn't holding back. He got an amp in that issue?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So then you pick option (b)? Meaning his full of crap and hyperbole? That doesn't make it a good showing for Hulk. It makes it a horrible showing, as if gale force winds can do that to him, Storm would be the Hulk with some wind which is not the case in my opinion. Far from the case. Hulk should laugh at that level of power.I don't recall it being stated he wasn't holding back. He got an amp in that issue?
yes, he did. we all can see he wasn't holding back at all and was showing more raw power in that instance than thor's.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, it's beyond me, too. y, you have to believe me! 😉And, yes, different characters are portrayed at different levels. but I don't consider Herc to be equal to thor.
Meh, whatever. Fine, I'll believe if you really want me too.
That's good. I've had to argue a lot of times that Hulk wouldn't manhandle Thor just because he has kicked the crap out of Hercules as Thor is consistently portrayed above him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Meh, whatever. Fine, I'll believe if you really want me too.That's good. I've had to argue a lot of times that Hulk wouldn't manhandle Thor just because he has kicked the crap out of Hercules as Thor is consistently portrayed above him.
Like i said, believe what you want. BTW, i do think thor would win on average if he has his hammer, BUT lose on average without it. just my opinion.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, he did. we all can see he wasn't holding back at all and was showing more raw power in that instance than thor's.
Who says he was showing more raw power? Because their was more damage to the environment? Unfortunately in the fight with Thor they weren't in the crossroads so he couldn't repel the structure of reality.
Unlike in the showing against Hulk, his entire raw power was concentrated "only" on Thor. Directly at Thor at point blank range. Not on sending countless pieces of debris flying at the Hulk over a huge expanse of area.
Concentrated power on a single opponent
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Power expanded over a large area