hi all,im new to this forum.i hope u dont mind me joining into the discussion a bit late...
actually,i thought the elves in helms deep looked good and all that,but the elves's last battle was the last alliance one with men(as you have mentioned).Pj shouldn't have involved them.And with Haldir dying..well,that was abit too dramatic i thought.
Anyway,the elves are suppose to be passing onto the grey havens aren't they??
Dark_Queen
I'm rereading The Hobbit for the first time in awhile, so now I have a visual of what those things look like.
Nah, Haldir deserved an honorable death.
I swear, one of the Elves gave the great Wilhelm scream! He was killed and fell off the wall and did the great Wilhelm scream! Ya know, the one that stormtroopers do when they die?
I don't think Haldir was killed by a Warg. I don't even think he was in ROTK. He was just expanded by PJ in the film and killed off to get an emotional reaction, which I think worked rather well.
In other news, I might have my history mixed up, but I believe that Rohan was part of Gondor around the time of the great alliance, and even if not, men in general were fighting Sauron, so there's nothing weird about the elves helping. The country isn't important. It's elves and men.
Jimmy
There was no such place as Rohan then; it was called Caelnardhon and was part of Gondor, which was much more mighty then (along with Arnor up north). It had also not existed very long; Gondor and Arnor were brand new, having only just been set-up by the refugees who fled from Numenor when it was destroyed, and immediately its leader, Elendil, allied with the Elven leader, Gil-Galad, to try and sort out Sauron once and for all (the men from Numenor being peeved that Sauron had tricked their comrades into self-destruction when he was technically their captive, Numenor having defeated and captured Sauron a long while back)
Caelnardhon never recovered from the Great Plague and was depopulated. After the Eotheod from the north saved Gondor from the invasion of the Easterling Balchoth, about 500 years before LOTR, they were granted Caelnardhon in reward, it was renamed Rohan, and they became its masters, the Rohirrim, or Horse Lords (though the Elves had called them that for ages. They called themselves then the Eorlingas and called the land the Riddermark).
But yes, obviously Man and Elf fought in Alliance back then, hence The Last Alliance. The question really was how did the Elves get there so quick, and why put them there when they were not in the book. Which I think has been answered.
But yes, I don't remember Haldir dying in the book either.
Originally posted by PeekaReetU rok, for saying what i have not had the guts to say! couldn't agree more! 💃
I didn't like Haldir....but he was still touching while dying...oh well....he was kinda....ahem *forgive me* GAY LOOKING....yeah...ok Im done...🙂anyhoo, i didn't think much about the elves at Helms Deep...i was expecting something like that....he changed so much....
Yeah. The elves did look kinda "trojan army" and they did die kinda like punks. I was heated that they didn't show the Huron army. Also I didn't like the scene where Aragorn says "ride out with me" and they ride out with 20 or so dudes and kick all that Uruk arse. How tha hell did 20 riders take on so many orcs and not die? But I'm mainly mad about the Huron army.