Originally posted by Peterlane
Before or after Vulcan disipates him? If Storm can dissipate Stardust for sometime, imagine what happens when Vulcan does it. With a wave of his hang gooodbye Stardust.
Your using the same issue where Storm hurts Silver Surfer with lightning, and Black Panther stops Silver Surfer with an armbar as evidence to a low showing against Stardust?
Seriously? That issue was so stupid, it really shouldn't be counted in continuity.
Stardust has taken planet destroying attacks point blank without dissipating. You really can't hurt him or put him down permanently.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your using the same issue where Storm hurts Silver Surfer with lightning, and Black Panther stops Silver Surfer with an armbar as evidence to a low showing against Stardust?Seriously? That issue was so stupid, it really shouldn't be counted in continuity.
Stardust has taken planet destroying attacks point blank without dissipating. You really can't hurt him or put him down permanently.
Ok, but the fact that Ethereals are living sentient energy doesn't make him a good matchup for Vulcan. A>B>C doesn't cut it.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Ok, but the fact that Ethereals are living sentient energy doesn't make him a good matchup for Vulcan. A>B>C doesn't cut it.
When has Vulcan beaten anyone on the level of Stardust? When has he controlled sentient energy, or even energy that was in direct control of someone else?
Hell, his shown their is a limit to how much energy he can tank. Havok one shotted him with a little extra juice.
Stardust destroys planets and civilization for the lulz.
What A, B, C logic are you talking about?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Vulcan beaten anyone on the level of Stardust? When has he controlled sentient energy, or even energy that was in direct control of someone else?Hell, his shown their is a limit to how much energy he can tank. Havok one shotted him with a little extra juice.
Stardust destroys planets and civilization for the lulz.
What A, B, C logic are you talking about?
The A,B,C logic that because Stardust has fought stronger beings with totally different powersets than Vulcan he somehow beats Vulcan.
Vulcan sapped Adam Warlock/Magus dry in seconds, and Warlock called him one of the most potent beings he has ever faced.
Originally posted by Peterlane
The A,B,C logic that because Stardust has fought stronger beings with totally different powersets than Vulcan he somehow beats Vulcan.Vulcan sapped Adam Warlock/Magus dry in seconds, and Warlock called him one of the most potent beings he has ever faced.
By that logic, when has Vulcan ever fought anyone like Stardust and won? His fought beings with lower power out put than Stardust and been one shotted though. Characters like Beta Ray Bill have vast energy absorption, yet he did not put down Stardust.
Ah, the first time we saw an indication of Vulcan's plot induced upgrade. That entire, magic is just energy thing, was so, so, weird. 😬
Still, current Adam Warlock hasn't impressed based on his other incarnations. Vulcan sapped him dry of his magic somehow. That's great. His fighting someone who can hit him with enough energy to annihilate planets. Less energy, a lot less, one shotted him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
By that logic, when has Vulcan ever fought anyone like Stardust and won? His fought beings with lower power out put than Stardust and been one shotted though. Characters like Beta Ray Bill have vast energy absorption, yet he did not put down Stardust.Ah, the first time we saw an indication of Vulcan's plot induced upgrade. That entire, magic is just energy thing, was so, so, weird. 😬
Still, current Adam Warlock hasn't impressed based on his other incarnations. Vulcan sapped him dry of his magic somehow. That's great. His fighting someone who can hit him with enough energy to annihilate planets. Less energy, a lot less, one shotted him.
Adam Warlock has more than enough energy to transmutate a planet, same difference. The fact that Stardust is energy gives this fight to Vulcan as he can do whatever he wants.
Beta-Ray Bill usually doesn't use his energy absorbtion, and I am sure he didn't try it against Stardust.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Adam Warlock has more than enough energy to transmutate a planet, same difference. The fact that Stardust is energy gives this fight to Vulcan as he can do whatever he wants.Beta-Ray Bill usually doesn't use his energy absorbtion, and I am sure he didn't try it against Stardust.
That's nice, and hence why some people call stupidity on that fight. Vulcan has shown limits to how much energy he can tank. After absorbing a Hodinn while powerless, a slightly amped Havok, one shotted Vulcan. Before that he easily overpowered him and made him burn.
I've not seen Vulcan ever control sentient energy, so the argument he can do whatever he wants is baseless.
Stardust blasts him with enough energy to annihilate planets, and no more Vulcan. Even with the apparent plot induced induced stupidity, of a fight it seems it takes a lot less than planet destroying to burn him to the bone. Although that scream should be a lot more than planet destroying but hey, plot induced stupidity is necessary when one character is clearly over-matched.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Vulcan beaten anyone on the level of Stardust? When has he controlled sentient energy, or even energy that was in direct control of someone else?Hell, his shown their is a limit to how much energy he can tank. Havok one shotted him with a little extra juice.
Stardust destroys planets and civilization for the lulz.
What A, B, C logic are you talking about?
I would call black bolt and adam warlock on the level with stardust wouldn't you? anyway if stardust plays it safe like not using his energy powers then he can win. I didn't think much of vulcan before the warlock and black bolt fight but now that i have i'm inclined to believe that he's on the top tier level.
i really don't see why he couldn't control sentient energy. It's energy right? not sure what you mean by "energy that was in direct control of someone else"? because that's what he does.
Originally posted by jasofisc
I would call black bolt and adam warlock on the level with stardust wouldn't you? anyway if stardust plays it safe like not using his energy powers then he can win. I didn't think much of vulcan before the warlock and black bolt fight but now that i have i'm inclined to believe that he's on the top tier level.i really don't see why he couldn't control sentient energy. It's energy right? not sure what you mean by "energy that was in direct control of someone else"? because that's what he does.
The thing is even thoug SD doesn't use his powers he is still energy and Vulcan can exploit him.
honestly though i know very little about stardust. I personally think that when a character below a skyfather destroys a planet it's humorous and silly. If that was really their level of power then anyfight were they fought even a little serously on a planet's surface would destroy the county they were in. when you consider the scale of a planet the size of ours if a person was able to destroy it with one blast then a blast 1000 of that would easly destroy a small country. we don't see that with these characters even the ones that don't care if they even destroy the planet their on. the only way i see it ok for a herald level character to destroy a planet is if it's a chain reaction like in the thanos vs champion fight.
anyway stardust 6 out of ten I think
Originally posted by jasofisc
I would call black bolt and adam warlock on the level with stardust wouldn't you? anyway if stardust plays it safe like not using his energy powers then he can win. I didn't think much of vulcan before the warlock and black bolt fight but now that i have i'm inclined to believe that he's on the top tier level.i really don't see why he couldn't control sentient energy. It's energy right? not sure what you mean by "energy that was in direct control of someone else"? because that's what he does.
I would place Black Bolt on his level. I don't know about Warlock. Besides one or two showings since his reincarnation, he really hasn't impressed me.
It's funny how no one actually payed much attention to him, until one fight which was at they very least questionable and another fight which was utterly stupidity. Before that, Vulcan got his ass handed to him when he faced anyone of note. Vulcan's a low tier for me. It takes more than plot induced stupidity to impress me.
Because Stardust has utter and complete control of himself that's why. If he can reform after being rendered asunder, that shows his level of control over every piece of him. Referring to Stardust.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I would place Black Bolt on his level. I don't know about Warlock. Besides one or two showings since his reincarnation, he really hasn't impressed me.It's funny how no one actually payed much attention to him, until one fight which was at they very least questionable and another fight which was utterly stupidity. Before that, Vulcan got his ass handed to him when he faced anyone of note. Vulcan's a low tier for me. It takes more than plot induced stupidity to impress me.
Because Stardust has utter and complete control of himself that's why. If he can reform after being rendered asunder, that shows his level of control over every piece of him. Referring to Stardust.
still why does that mean vulcan can't absorb him? When has anyone been able to resist (besides glads who's powers are differnt) him sucking up their powers?
to Vulcan's credit he killed two low herald lvl sh ar guardians and was only beaten by glads (which was the only person of note he fought untill adam warlock) and he was defeated by havok because he was sundipped.
Originally posted by jasofisc
still why does that mean vulcan can't absorb him? When has anyone been able to resist (besides glads who's powers are differnt) him sucking up their powers?to Vulcan's credit he killed two low herald lvl sh ar guardians and was only beaten by glads (which was the only person of note he fought untill adam warlock) and he was defeated by havok because he was sundipped.
Because his sentient energy and his full control of himself. That's why.
Obviously his energy absorbing/manipulating abilities were useless against Havok twice and Lorna. Lorna was about to make him her ***** the second time but had his ass saved by Gladiator's cousin.
The Imperial Guard are all jobbers. A poor man's legion. Gladiator easily shrugged of his attacks and kicked his ass with a blow. With physical strength only. Seriously, even while trying to use energy to shield himself, Colossus knocked him on his ass with a casual punch and Havok was going to kill him with a single attack.
Why the hell he even shows up on Black Bolt radar is beyond me. That shit deserves a retcon along with Rulk.