Vulcan Vs Stardust

so, vulcan's showing vs bolt was stupid, his showing vs warlock was pis, his showing against the guard was pis, but the showings that count are the one where a sun-dipped havok beat him and galdiator punched him out, and most likely the polaris thing.

hmph, funny how that works. what about his showing vs the eldest? he was losing because he didn't understand how to use his powers to win, but once he did, he owned the guy immediately--the same guy who easily broke gladiator's wrist.

is he capable of disrupting SD'd energy body--i'd say absolutely. could SD possibly resist? sure. a couple months back i'd say SD would take this almost certainly. with the way vulcan's been being portrayed more recently, i'd say he could take SD.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, vulcan's showing vs bolt was stupid, his showing vs warlock was pis, his showing against the guard was pis, but the showings that count are the one where a sun-dipped havok beat him and galdiator punched him out, and most likely the polaris thing.

hmph, funny how that works. what about his showing vs the eldest? he was losing because he didn't understand how to use his powers to win, but once he did, he owned the guy immediately--the same guy who easily broke gladiator's wrist.

is he capable of disrupting SD'd energy body--i'd say absolutely. could SD possibly resist? sure. a couple months back i'd say SD would take this almost certainly. with the way vulcan's been being portrayed more recently, i'd say he could take SD.

Not a chance.

Vulcan LOST to Black Bolt, don't forget that. Warlock has absolutely no showings to put him near Stardust.

How does Vulcan counter a black hole?

Originally posted by Nihilist
How does Vulcan counter a black hole?

I herd

I think SD wins, not 100 percent sold on that yet know.

Why can Vulcan suddenly not turn off peoples powers by manipulting energies in their brain?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
GTFO of here newb. This guys been using that excuse since I've known him on comic book boards. You want me to go back and quote everytime he used that excuse on the old Marvel boards.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
GTFO of here newb. This guys been using that excuse since I've known him on comic book boards. You want me to go back and quote everytime he used that excuse on the old Marvel boards.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Not a chance.

Vulcan LOST to Black Bolt, don't forget that. Warlock has absolutely no showings to put him near Stardust.

showed he could easily manipulate the energies used by someone who has used energy for planetary level feats--that'd be warlock. SD hasn't done any better. bb was getting pummeled until he screamedeven shutting down bb's electron manipulation is very high level, given some of the feats of that particular ability. vulcan "lost" that fight according to kmc rules, but in the book it wasn't finished. i don't see any reason at all why vulcan couldn't possibly dissipate or at least seriously disrupt SD's energy form.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, vulcan's showing vs bolt was stupid, his showing vs warlock was pis, his showing against the guard was pis, but the showings that count are the one where a sun-dipped havok beat him and galdiator punched him out, and most likely the polaris thing.

The Imperial Guard are extreme jobbers and who called that fighy plot induced stupidity? That doesn't surprise me as they are jobbers and that was a good showing for Vulcan. The fight with Warlock was questionable especially with the entire magic is just energy thing, and him draining the reserves of Adam Warlock when it's shown there is a limit to how much energy he can manipulate/control.

The fight with Black Bolt was utter plot induced stupidity. If you do not see that, then you must think Rulk is the optimum of continuity. The fact that Black Bolt didn't punch his head off with one hit as he has one shotted Namor in a dam of water at his base, when Vulcan has casually been knocked to near unconscious by Colossus even while attempting to shield himself with energy along with all the other showings that indicate him having human level durability or at best enhanced durability is stupid. Don't even get me started on the scream and so on. That fight was utter stupidity. Someone such as you, would surely see that. One look at both Vulcan's and Black Bolt's showings/continuity tells you all this. I've read all of the appearances of both these characters, and Vulcan shouldn't be able to stand up to him.

People consider it stupid, because he immediately jumped up to a level not seen and Black Bolt was pissed on just to make the story more interesting.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmph, funny how that works. what about his showing vs the eldest? he was losing because he didn't understand how to use his powers to win, but once he did, he owned the guy immediately--the same guy who easily broke gladiator's wrist.

He was the perfect being to fight Eldest. Once Havok told him what to do, and they realized that each of his brothers were channeling small amounts of their energy towards him, it was simple for him to simply negate the effect. A good showing no doubt in his ability to manipulate energy, but any half decent energy manipulator should be capable of it, as well. Vulcan does have good showings. He is a pretty powerful dude and is potentially a beast.

Originally posted by leonidas
is he capable of disrupting SD'd energy body--i'd say absolutely. could SD possibly resist? sure. a couple months back i'd say SD would take this almost certainly. with the way vulcan's been being portrayed more recently, i'd say he could take SD.

Could he disrupt it? I say yes. To the point it has a true effect? No. Not with his control and power.

Vulcan owns.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Imperial Guard are extreme jobbers and who called that fighy plot induced stupidity? That doesn't surprise me as they are jobbers and that was a good showing for Vulcan. The fight with Warlock was questionable especially with the entire magic is just energy thing, and him draining the reserves of Adam Warlock when it's shown there is a limit to how much energy he can manipulate/control.

The fight with Black Bolt was utter plot induced stupidity. If you do not see that, then you must think Rulk is the optimum of continuity. The fact that Black Bolt didn't punch his head off with one hit as he has one shotted Namor in a dam of water at his base, when Vulcan has casually been knocked to near unconscious by Colossus even while attempting to shield himself with energy along with all the other showings that indicate him having human level durability or at best enhanced durability is stupid. Don't even get me started on the scream and so on. That fight was utter stupidity. Someone such as you, would surely see that. One look at both Vulcan's and Black Bolt's showings/continuity tells you all this. I've read all of the appearances of both these characters, and Vulcan shouldn't be able to stand up to him.

People consider it stupid, because he immediately jumped up to a level not seen and Black Bolt was pissed on just to make the story more interesting.

He was the perfect being to fight Eldest. Once Havok told him what to do, and they realized that each of his brothers were channeling small amounts of their energy towards him, it was simple for him to simply negate the effect. A good showing no doubt in his ability to manipulate energy, but any half decent energy manipulator should be capable of it, as well. Vulcan does have good showings. He is a pretty powerful dude and is potentially a beast.

Could he disrupt it? I say yes. To the point it has a true effect? No. Not with his control and power.

Lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Imperial Guard are extreme jobbers and who called that fighy plot induced stupidity? That doesn't surprise me as they are jobbers and that was a good showing for Vulcan. The fight with Warlock was questionable especially with the entire magic is just energy thing, and him draining the reserves of Adam Warlock when it's shown there is a limit to how much energy he can manipulate/control.

there is a CURRENT limit, but even that limit is sketchy and seems to be growing as the character grows. he is becoming more and more powerful as his appearances grow, it seems to me.

The fight with Black Bolt was utter plot induced stupidity. If you do not see that, then you must think Rulk is the optimum of continuity. The fact that Black Bolt didn't punch his head off with one hit as he has one shotted Namor in a dam of water at his base, when Vulcan has casually been knocked to near unconscious by Colossus even while attempting to shield himself with energy along with all the other showings that indicate him having human level durability or at best enhanced durability is stupid. Don't even get me started on the scream and so on. That fight was utter stupidity. Someone such as you, would surely see that. One look at both Vulcan's and Black Bolt's showings/continuity tells you all this. I've read all of the appearances of both these characters, and Vulcan shouldn't be able to stand up to him.

someone like me avoids calling PIS except in the most egregious cases. this is not one of those cases. you say vulcan shouldn't be able to stand up to him based on what? bb's biggest weapon is his electron manip. that was countered easily. sure bb can knock out namor, but . . . so what? in a straight 1on1 with namor primed, namor could also stand up to bb h2h. vulcan has GROWN in his powers. i'm not sure why you want to decry growth (he IS still just a kid) as stupidity. he amped his strength to match warlock as well. how many more good showings does he have to have before you say--ok he IS that powerful?

People consider it stupid, because he immediately jumped up to a level not seen and Black Bolt was pissed on just to make the story more interesting.

i don't (and not too many that i've seen . . .) consider it stupid at all. it DID kill vulcan . . . it didn't destroy everything around them because it was absorbed. its effects were much greater than the whisper we've seen, just not as great as some might have HOPED it would be. and vulcan fans can always just say--why doesn't he just down brain activity like he did when he first arrived on the scene? why not simply manipulate the bio-energy in bb's body, or anyone's body? when you start crying PIS it's a slippery slope, one that really should be avoided except in the most absurb cases.

He was the perfect being to fight Eldest. Once Havok told him what to do, and they realized that each of his brothers were channeling small amounts of their energy towards him, it was simple for him to simply negate the effect. A good showing no doubt in his ability to manipulate energy, but any half decent energy manipulator should be capable of it, as well. Vulcan does have good showings. He is a pretty powerful dude and is potentially a beast.

of course he was perfect for the eldest. he's also perfect for SD. point is, he didn't know how to use his powers to win that fight, but recently he seems to be growing in power--and he SHOULD be, given how young he really is.

Could he disrupt it? I say yes. To the point it has a true effect? No. Not with his control and power.

i'm a lot less sure of that now than i was 2 months ago.