Originally posted by Gideon
You were doing so well, but I strongly caution you from slanting the truth like this.
And this?Age is not a prerequisite for power. Marek is clearly a highly accomplished and incredibly advanced combatant. [/B]
edit: Nothing to suggest Marek's force lightning is something special though.
Darth Sexy [/i]
Slanting the truth would be claiming that Ragnos got his ass kicked by a neophyte Jedi.
wut teh fvck r u talkin bout?
First, Ragnos (possessing the body of Tavion) did get his ass kicked by "a neophyte Jedi." He was in full command of Tavion's abilities, armed with a powerful Sith weapon, and present on a world imbued with Sith power. The aforementioned neophyte had already hacked his way through a small army of dark side adepts and had already battled Tavion herself, so he -- unlike Ragnos, who was in hibernation for millennia -- was quite possibly not at full strength.
Second, even if it were a slanted statement, it (in no way) mitigates the fact that yours was a slant of exponentially greater proportions. They did not fear Ragnos and you know better.
Darth Sexy
edit: Nothing to suggest Marek's force lightning is something special though.
He obliterated an AT-AT and imploded a rancor's head with it. It is special.
Now move on.
Originally posted by Gideon
wut teh fvck r u talkin bout?First, Ragnos (possessing the body of Tavion) did get his ass kicked by "a neophyte Jedi." He was in full command of Tavion's abilities, armed with a powerful Sith weapon, and present on a world imbued with Sith power. The aforementioned neophyte had already hacked his way through a small army of dark side adepts and had already battled Tavion herself, so he -- unlike Ragnos, who was in hibernation for millennia -- was quite possibly not at full strength.
Second, even if it were a slanted statement, it (in no way) mitigates the fact that yours was a slant of exponentially greater proportions. They did not fear Ragnos and you know better.
He obliterated an AT-AT and imploded a rancor's head with it. It is special.Now move on.
Darth Sexy
Simple explanation. He was a spirit and even as a spirit, he entered the body of a relatively average or weak dark jedi, further diminishing his abilities.
Off the top of my head, when Exar Kun merged with Kyp Durron, he enhanced Durron's latent abilities and allowed him to overcome Skywalker. And when Obi-Wan's spirit possessed Luke during the events of Splinter of the Mind's Eye, he enabled the neophyte to best Vader in single combat.
Ragnos's spirit isn't special and Tavion was certainly far more skilled, if not necessarily more powerful, than either a neophyte Luke Skywalker or a neophyte Kyp Durron.
He (again) was armed with a powerful Sith weapon, possessed the body of a skilled dark Jedi, was the beneficiary of millennia of rest, and fought on a dark side imbued planet.
And lost.
He did get his ass kicked.
Darth Sexy
I don't recall this happening.
The novelization.
Gideon
Now move on.
Originally posted by Gideon
Off the top of my head, when Exar Kun merged with Kyp Durron, he enhanced Durron's latent abilities and allowed him to overcome Skywalker. And when Obi-Wan's spirit possessed Luke during the events of Splinter of the Mind's Eye, he enabled the neophyte to best Vader in single combat.Ragnos's spirit isn't special and Tavion was certainly far more skilled, if not necessarily more powerful, than either a neophyte Luke Skywalker or a neophyte Kyp Durron.
He (again) was armed with a powerful Sith weapon, possessed the body of a skilled dark Jedi, was the beneficiary of millennia of rest, and fought on a dark side imbued planet.
And lost.
He did get his ass kicked.
The novelization.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonSome where along the bounty hunter wars, acstyles has the exact source but he doesn't post here anymore.
1. When does he force choke Xizor?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonYour used to ramble how ub3r nadd is solely on the fact that he pushed vodo from lightyears away, i'm simply stating vader did the same.
2. You're comparing a live Vader to an ancient sith spirit. That actually says more about Nadd than Vader.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonWatch the scripted gameplay carefully, vader deflects a massive pillar and the second he does it, he gets knocked down and then the ownage begins.
He kicked the crap out of Vader, what do you mean caught him off guard?
And how many people do you think would survive such a brutal beating like that without the aid of the force? Put traya in that position and she wouldn't even survive the intial impact of the 3 pillars collapsing on her let alone survive the entire ordeal.
Hell put dooku, exar or almost anybody else in that exact situation and they would have ended up dead, vader still survived and had enough strength to get back on his feet mere minutes after getting his ass handed to him(and even give starkiller another long duel in the DS ending).
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonSo more knowledge = more power?Galen isn't a force scholar and look at his command of the force.
His knowledge clearly exceeds vader's.
Last i recall vader has demonstrated superior command of the force while andeddu did nothing but get his ass wiped for him.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonLuke feared him simply because they had no idea what he was capable off, not because he was an ub3r god going to pawn luke.
Actually Ragnos doesn't get his ass kicked. He puts himself into an inferior body. The same Ragnos that Luke and the entire academy feared. I love how you go back to the old retarded anti Ancient sith argument. "LOLZ SADOW AND KRESSH SUCK!!"
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonYeah, 3 people that vader would have easily crushed with the force(crushing massive structures!) and she killed a dozen sith marauders while being empowered heavily by malachors dark side energy.
I love the downplaying. Truly more desperation. A technique that annihilated 3 Jedi of the Jedi council, 12-15 sith marauders on Malachor V, etc. Spare me.
Good try.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonBringing down an ATAT and shocking the shit out of a giant sarlacc and being a force titan that put vader on his ass and went toe to toe with sidious.
Prove Marek's (I'm 19 years old)lightning is comparable to Traya's.
Darth Sexy
See, I see it differently. Tavion had to use his scepter to resurrect Ragnos. Kun shed his body using a sith ritual. I don't think the properties are the same.
What? No.
Tavion was storing Force energy within the scepter to resurrect Ragnos; to give him a new corporeal body and the works. As we've seen from whatever-the-hell comic it is that he interrupts the duel between Qel Droma and Kun, Ragnos is able to project his spirit for limited amounts of time to other places. But his spirit is anchored to his tomb in Korriban, which is why he either needed to be resurrected or possess the body of another.
Both are spirits; the Essential Guide to the Force makes it very clear that Kun, Ragnos, and Palpatine are all Sith spirits and possess the same properties. The only fundamental difference is that Palpatine's was not bound to a specific area.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Some where along the bounty hunter wars, acstyles has the exact source but he doesn't post here anymore.
Your used to ramble how ub3r nadd is solely on the fact that he pushed vodo from lightyears away, i'm simply stating vader did the same.
Watch the scripted gameplay carefully, vader deflects a massive pillar and the second he does it, he gets knocked down and then the ownage begins.
And how many people do you think would survive such a brutal beating like that without the aid of the force? Put traya in that position and she wouldn't even survive the intial impact of the 3 pillars collapsing on her let alone survive the entire ordeal.
Hell put dooku, exar or almost anybody else in that exact situation and they would have ended up dead, vader still survived and had enough strength to get back on his feet mere minutes after getting his ass handed to him(and even give starkiller another long duel in the DS ending).highly debatable.
So more knowledge = more power?Galen isn't a force scholar and look at his command of the force.
Last i recall vader has demonstrated superior command of the force while andeddu did nothing but get his ass wiped for him.
Yeah, 3 people that vader would have easily crushed with the force(crushing massive structures!) and she killed a dozen sith marauders while being empowered heavily by malachors dark side energy.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonAnd the interesting thing is that a spirit isn't bound to any one place, we have seen nadd pop his spirit on several different locations and the same can be said for ragnos, his actual spirit lies in his tomb yet he projected himself on cinnagar.
Yes, it was one of the things that made him leet, because he was doing it AS A SPIRIT.
So maybe nadd didn't attack vodo lightyears away after all....
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonBut surviving an ordeal like that is a further testament to vaders beastly command of the force.
Vader put up a good fight against Marek but he really didn't have much of a chance.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonSubstantiate. Because it worked on 3 nobodies it it would work on vader.
I think Traya would long destroy Vader with her drain.
And its hilarious how your claiming she is going to wtf pwn vader(i'm assuming she is going to do the same to yoda, mace windu, revan and pretty much every one else) without even formulating any logical argument and backing your ridiculous claims.
Really? If her drain was so hideously powerful i still question myself why she couldn't have saved her own ass when sion and nihilus turned on her.
Its extremely funny despite her phenominal cosmic force powers that a simple force push by darth nihilus knocked her out. You can argue that he some how "drained" her force power(and his technique doesn't even do that) but you have nothing to substantiate your claims.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
highly debatable.
Vader had absolutely no defence when the ownage begun, no physical or force defence at all and he took a shit hell of a beating and even got back on his foot and was unharmed by galens most powerful attack(teh ub3r suicide bomb).
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonProve it. Luke's knowledge of the force is far inferior to lord sidious yet his command of the force surpasses. Your wrong.
Yes.. More knowledge=more power.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonAnd this means what? That his ridiculous power was based on the fact that he had broad knowledge of the dark side of the force?
Marek had a ridiculous raw command of the force.
You contradict yourself unknowingly.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonHe simply would have a wider range of powers, he would have become more powerful due to the fact that as of TFU, he is NOT at his full potential, NOT because he would have studied more holocrons.
Had he learned from sith holocrons, his command would have even been greater.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonYeah and the most powerful sith in the one sith got back up and put him on his ass and permanently sent him into oblivion.
What superior command of the force? Andeddu returned from being a spirit for thousands of years and managed to put the most powerful sith in the One Sith on his ass.
Really, andeddu has done almost nothing with the force and your putting him above vader, hell this is coming from an admitted ancient sith fanboy so thats VERY understandable.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonOh please he destroyed a massive barrier on the wookie homeworld with one force wave(the same wave performed by bane that would have turned an organic being into a pulp), he pwned a jedi that tore a space station apart(and this jedi has done far more than those 3 nobodies ever did in he force), he choked xizor over a damn hologram(light years
Prove Vader would have killed them.
I see vader shitting on those 3 guys in a force fight.
This is also the same vader that was stated to have been able to "defeat kar vastor" easier than mace windu did(don't take my word for it, ill check this with gideon as he brought it up, i just damn hope he replies when i PM him).
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonYeah anything to prove that? I didn't see ventress getting empowered on vjun when ironically dooku did and proceeded to pwn her by lifting a finger.
Not to mention, the sith marauders were just as empowered by malachor's dark energy. This is a retarded attempt at trying to prove your point.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And the interesting thing is that a spirit isn't bound to any one place, we have seen nadd pop his spirit on several different locations and the same can be said for ragnos, his actual spirit lies in his tomb yet he projected himself on cinnagar.
So maybe nadd didn't attack vodo lightyears away after all....
But surviving an ordeal like that is a further testament to vaders beastly command of the force.
Substantiate. Because it worked on 3 nobodies it it would work on vader.
And its hilarious how your claiming she is going to wtf pwn vader(i'm assuming she is going to do the same to yoda, mace windu, revan and pretty much every one else) without even formulating any logical argument and backing your ridiculous claims.
Really? If her drain was so hideously powerful i still question myself why she couldn't have saved her own ass when sion and nihilus turned on her.
Its extremely funny despite her phenominal cosmic force powers that a simple force push by darth nihilus knocked her out. You can argue that he some how "drained" her force power(and his technique doesn't even do that) but you have nothing to substantiate your claims.
No it isn't. Put an old woman(traya) in vaders position(he was completely defence less) and her frail old body would have been crushed the moment galen toppled 3 pillars on her.
Vader had absolutely no defence when the ownage begun, no physical or force defence at all and he took a shit hell of a beating and even got back on his foot and was unharmed by galens most powerful attack(teh ub3r suicide bomb).
Prove it. Luke's knowledge of the force is far inferior to lord sidious yet his command of the force surpasses. Your wrong.
And this means what? That his ridiculous power was based on the fact that he had broad knowledge of the dark side of the force?
You contradict yourself unknowingly.
He simply would have a wider range of powers, he would have become more powerful due to the fact that as of TFU, he is NOT at his full potential, NOT because he would have studied more holocrons.
Yeah and the most powerful sith in the one sith got back up and put him on his ass and permanently sent him into oblivion.
Really, andeddu has done almost nothing with the force and your putting him above vader, hell this is coming from an admitted ancient sith fanboy so thats VERY understandable.
Oh please he destroyed a massive barrier on the wookie homeworld with one force wave(the same wave performed by bane that would have turned an organic being into a pulp), he pwned a jedi that tore a space station apart(and this jedi has done far more than those 3 nobodies ever did in he force), he choked xizor over a damn hologram(light years
!) , he destroyed a massive hut that was stated to be as durable as steel and he ragdolled and brutally raped galen mareks father.
I see vader shitting on those 3 guys in a force fight.
This is also the same vader that was stated to have been able to "defeat kar vastor" easier than mace windu did(don't take my word for it, ill check this with gideon as he brought it up, i just damn hope he replies when i PM him).
Yeah anything to prove that? I didn't see ventress getting empowered on vjun when ironically dooku did and proceeded to pwn her by lifting a finger. [/B]
I don't have to prove it. In fact YOU have to prove that Traya was empowered by Malachor V. Traya herself stated that these sith marauders gain power when they near a force sensitive. You lose.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Prove they're nobodies.
Oh I strongly dislike this. It's like religious people telling me to prove that God doesn't exist. How can you prove that something doesn't exist?
Like here, how can you prove that they are nobodies except for saying that they have nothing to support their strength. I can't ask you to prove that Darth Plagious his lightsaber abilities are unknown, you should prove that he has them, just like you have to prove that these 3 Jedi are somebodies.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Oh I strongly dislike this. It's like religious people telling me to prove that God doesn't exist. How can you prove that something doesn't exist?
Like here, how can you prove that they are nobodies except for saying that they have nothing to support their strength. I can't ask you to prove that Darth Plagious his lightsaber abilities are unknown, you should prove that he has them, just like you have to prove that these 3 Jedi are somebodies.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Right. Which means Andeddu's powers had atrophied since the last time he used them.
Beg your pardon, but there's nothing to suggest this.
Ask yourself, why would Andeddu start a fight if he wasn't in tip-top condition? That would be completely out of character for him, seeing as he's a big chicken.
The only way he'd ever fight is if he's at full strength.
I just caught this:
Darth Sexy
Right. Which means Andeddu's powers had atrophied since the last time he used them.
Do you have anything to corroborate that theory? Anything at all to suggest that this is the case? That Andeddu was not in fine form during his battle with Krayt's flunkie?
Let's make something abundantly clear, because my patience for the "lawl older sith r teh better sith" is pretty much nonexistent. It's an outdated, obsolete, disproven, and entirely worthless notion. Older does not equal better, and it doesn't mean that Andeddu was on the verge of death simply because he got his ass kicked by a newer Sith. It means that:
Spoiler:
There are "new" Sith that are more than capable of handing "old" Sith their asses.
I know, I know. Radical idea.