Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thank you for the scans.
No problem.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
However I don't get why you think BK could solo him or even be alive till hawkman. His ability to asorb kentic energy would not be of any help against wolverine, and he inferior physically as well as in fighting skill.
Kinetic energy is blunt force. Punches, stabs, etc. I.E. Logan stabs, BK parries/blocks/etc. then sends that force back at Logan. His magical shield and armor during that incarnation would be more than sufficient to keep him alive for an extended period of time.
Still, I don't know what "current" BK is. But that particular version (HA! Avalon Armor version...the name just came to me) would indeed beat Logan more often than not. Vibro-blade BK obviously loses, and Ebony Blade version could hang with Logan for a while, as is evidenced by their encounter with each other.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
one last thing hurting BA does not mean his strength is off the charts compared to spiderman or wolverine. It a fact that character hurt other far beyond there strength level, that it why we use lifting feats to discern individuals strength rather then who they have hurt with there punches. Capt has hurt King Thor worse then hawlk man did with BA, does that now mean capt >>>Hawlk man.
Cap shouldn't be able to hurt Thor with punches. That's just awful writing. Hawkman, however, has repeated that feat against numerous high-level opponents. One need only to scroll through recent JSA villains to make a convincing argument for his strength level being more than enough to combat at least low herald opponents.
Besides, put that mace in maybe Spider-Man's hands. Do you think BA would even flinch, written properly. Heck no.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine also not a peak-human thats a misconception created by the forum.
Fair enough, but he's still not into, say, the Spider-Man strength range, which Hawkman is still well beyond.
Originally posted by Digi
No problem.Kinetic energy is blunt force. Punches, stabs, etc. I.E. Logan stabs, BK parries/blocks/etc. then sends that force back at Logan.
Originally posted by Digi
His magical shield and armor during that incarnation would be more than sufficient to keep him alive for an extended period of time.
Originally posted by Digi
Still, I don't know what "current" BK is. But that particular version (HA! Avalon Armor version...the name just came to me) would indeed beat Logan more often than not.
Current BK just has the ebony blade.
Originally posted by Digi
Vibro-blade BK obviously loses, and Ebony Blade version could hang with Logan for a while, as is evidenced by their encounter with each other.
Originally posted by Digi
Cap shouldn't be able to hurt Thor with punches. That's just awful writing. Hawkman, however, has repeated that feat against numerous high-level opponents. One need only to scroll through recent JSA villains to make a convincing argument for his strength level being more than enough to combat at least low herald opponents.
Originally posted by Digi
Besides, put that mace in maybe Spider-Man's hands. Do you think BA would even flinch, written properly. Heck no.
No, but he has a far better shot then Hawkman. His strength feats are vastly superior and he has vastly more of them.
Originally posted by Badabing
Guys, there was a report from this thread. Let's be civil.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
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Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Not supposed to be funny. I just don't care.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
No I was just trying to clear it up. I was explaining that the symbol was not meant to be funny. I was was posted to show I dont care. Didn't say I didnt care about the thread. Your comprehension is like this with everythig isnt it.
Originally posted by Hyperion PrimeYou ignore my request and turn up your trolling/bashing a notch. Smart. Consider this a warning. If you keep up then it will turn into a temp ban.
You are retarded and instead of arguing a smart person would just report me or send wolverine after me. Why I do what I do is my own buisness.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine attacks would not posses enough kinetic energy to be a threat to him self, which is why individuals with such power set are awful against him.
Also seems like a double standard, bud. His attacks can harm other but not himself? Make a Wolverine vs. Wolverin thread, and I guarantee one of them ends up dead. Also, when the shield can absorb any and all energy, including blunt kinetic force, there will be no force left with which to hurt the shield. And thus, no force to hurt BK. It would literally drain Logan's attack to use against him.
I'll relinquish the "he stops at 3" talk because I was unsure of what equipment we were discussing. But Avalon Armor BK wouldn't even be harmed, and could actually stay at range most of the time too.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it would not, his armor would easily be pierced by wolverines claws, it was extremely durable for it light weight, but it as far from unbreakable. His shield may be able to wistand wolverine claws, but it very doubtful, it also had it limits as well.
It did? I'd like to see evidence of this. Because I've read through what I think is all of the Avalon issues, and didn't see it jobbing to pretty much anything. A few omni-directional blasts knocked him on his ass, but those are attacks that Logan wouldn't be able to duplicate.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Current BK just has the ebony blade.
Cool beans. Then it's a tough fight for Wolverine, but he wins the solid majority.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Your holding a double standard. You say it PIS for capt to hurt thor with punches but it fine for hawlkman? Hawlkman feats of strength do no suggest he should hurt them at all. Your holding separate standards for two characters, and you don’t even realize it.
It's not a double standard at all. Nothing about Cap's power set suggests that he should hurt Thor. But Hawkman has done it numerous times. Martian Manhunter, Black Adam, Solomon Grundy, I could go on. It's not PIS if it happens numerous times. Then it's just part of the character. He's not the equal of those guys, but he's able to harm them and hang with them for a while. Add that to the fact that BK or possibly Luke Cage would still be around (it's "in trouble" not "dead" when the next one comes in) and he loses at 5.
QUOTE=12165927]Originally posted by Digi
Also seems like a double standard, bud. His attacks can harm other but not himself? Make a Wolverine vs. Wolverin thread, and I guarantee one of them ends up dead. Also, when the shield can absorb any and all energy, including blunt kinetic force, there will be no force left with which to hurt the shield. And thus, no force to hurt BK. It would literally drain Logan's attack to use against him.
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Hi attack harm other becuases there piercing attacks, taking the kentic energy from such attack and hitting wolverine with it, is not going to KO because it be far less force then he uses to being hit with by individuals with colossal strength.
Originally posted by Digi
Cool beans. Then it's a tough fight for Wolverine, but he wins the solid majority.
Originally posted by Digi
It's not a double standard at all. Nothing about Cap's power set suggests that he should hurt Thor. But Hawkman has done it numerous times. Martian Manhunter, Black Adam, Solomon Grundy, I could go on. It's not PIS if it happens numerous times. Then it's just part of the character. He's not the equal of those guys, but he's able to harm them and hang with them for a while..
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So has Cap.Onslaught, Hulk, Wonder Man, Cosmic Carnage, Captain Britain, Wrecker, Piledriver, Griffin...
Heh. Alright, fair enough. But my point is and was this: if it happens numerous times, it's not PIS. One could argue that Cap does some of his damage because of his skill, not brute strength. And while Carter isn't a novice, the same can not be said of him. This list of names, while raising dubious questions about Cap's actual strength level, does nothing to prove otherwise.
Carter's strength levels have always been depicted beyond a few ton range, and he's always been able to harm upper tiers because of the nature of his mace and his strength. His feats do put him on that level, because that what is consistently shown. Show me Carter losing to a high street or being overpowered by a low meta, then we'll talk.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
People are selling Black Knight short here. The Ebony Blade cannot be broken by Wolverines Adamantium. They have fought before and neither had the edge. BK aint no Bytch!!!
That's what I was thinking, BK could win this on his own.
Definitley stops at Hawkman either way.
Originally posted by Creshosk
How the hell do you move it?
The shield? Like any other. But if it absorbs and redirects blunt force, there's not really much left that will hurt it. I've only seen massive blasts really affect Avalon BK, the kind he can't block with just the shield.
Heck, technically the shield converts blunt force, or any absorbed attack, into the sword then ejects it as energy. He could fly in the air, smack his shield into stuff, and take Logan out with ranged energy blasts.
So yeah, as before, Avalon would beat Logan (in a forum battle, at least). But we aren't talking about Avalon in this thread, so it's a moot point. I only brought it up when I was unsure of the incarnation.