Yeah, Obi-Wan actually suprised Maul because Maul got arrogant at the last moment, deciding to taunt Obi-Wan instead of kill him. Obi-Wan was clearly outmatched from what I saw of the fight without Qui-Gon. Maul is just a great fighter, through and through. He was trained to fight and kill jedi, and he did just that.
Nephthys
Also, training, age and skill don't matter as much in a fight/brawl as much as force power etc does. Darth Traya laid a smack down on Atton Rand, a man with High-class echani training, and she must have been 90 or something.
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Caedus got his ass handed to him by Mara, who isn't anywhere in Caedus's league when it comes to Force powers.
Try again.
Or, better yet, please don't.
Whose the red chick with Atton?
Darth Mad, from an online satirical comic. She's a ds Exile.
noCaedus got his ass handed to him by Mara, who isn't anywhere in Caedus's league when it comes to Force powers.
Try again.
Or, better yet, please don't.
But mara had the benefit of battle rage, which 'enhances one's physical abilities. Makes one faster, stronger, and more durable.'
super13
click on the picture, go to comics and click on AODM to get to the archives. Alternatively, google her.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But mara had the benefit of battle rage, which 'enhances one's physical abilities. Makes one faster, stronger, and more durable.'super13
Close.
But you said this:
Nephthys
Also, training, age and skill don't matter as much in a fight/brawl as much as force power etc does.
Which means, battle rage or not, Force power isn't the decider.
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Edit: Also, find the quote and citation where the novelization confirms that Mara was in battle rage.
I was joshing with you, but I don't have the book so I can't substantiate anything. All I can recall is that she was incredibly pissed off, which was enough for you to claim Luke was in one. Plus, nothing was straight forward with that fight, there was probably some other factor going for her.
also, how does this-'Also, training, age and skill don't matter as much in a fight/brawl as much as force power etc' equal this- 'battle rage or not, Force power isn't the decider.' increased strength, speed and durability are massive factors in a H2H fight.
Nephthys
I was joshing with you, but I don't have the book so I can't substantiate anything. All I can recall is that she was incredibly pissed off, which was enough for you to claim Luke was in one. Plus, nothing was straight forward with that fight, there was probably some other factor going for her.
No, I say Luke was in battle rage... because the novelization uses that expression. And prove that she had some "other factor" going for her.
Spoiler:
the other factor was her martial arts ability and training under the Emperor.
Nephthys
also, how does this-'Also, training, age and skill don't matter as much in a fight/brawl as much as force power etc' equal this-'battle rage or not, Force power isn't the decider.' increased strength, speed and durability are massive factors in a H2H fight.
Because you said that "training, age, and skill doesn't matter as much in a fight/brawl as Force power." If that were the case, Caedus would have annihilated Mara Jade since she was, by her own admission, weaker than he was in the Force. And yet she handed him his ass in the fight due to her training and skill.
Even if she were in battle rage, she'd still be weaker than him in the Force.
Originally posted by Gideon
You're not funny.Palpatine could take Luke in hand to hand. Hell, if the Clone Wars is any indication, so could Dooku.
Luke's not just in minor league when it comes to hand to hand. He's on a lower tier.
I told you no, Caedus could not take Maul in hand to hand combat.
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Has luke ever accomplished anything in hand to hand? I can't think of it ever helping him.
He would be better off standing back and using the force against Maul.
For this reason, in UNARMED combat. (not necessarily restricted to H2H) LUke would still crush Maul with the force. Forced to rely on punching Maul though, Luke would lose.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, becuase she's still recieving what being stronger in the force gives you via battle rage i.e. strength, speed, focus, durability.
You were the one who said that strength in the Force is far more of a factor than skill and training. Battle rage does not enhance one's connection to the Force; does not make one more powerful in the Force. Mara Jade, even if she was the beneficiary of battle rage, was still considerably weaker in mastery and attunement to the Force relative to Caedus. She engaged Caedus on her own terms, manipulated the environment, and used her superior training to defeat him.
The Force had nothing to do with her victory so much as it enabled her to not be blitzed by him. Your syllogism was reliant on a comparison to this situation with Kreia blitzing a non-Force wielding civilian. It's irrelevant. Give Atton a decent connection to the Force and he would probably have rearranged Kreia's anatomy.
Maul is not without sensitivity to the Force, but is a highly trained Sith apprentice. Luke isn't just going to b1tchslap him into nonexistence, and neither would Caedus.
In hand-to-hand combat, Maul effortlessly crushes either Luke or Caedus.
No, it isn't close. And no, you haven't made a convincing argument.
Free online sources ftw?
Can't find any and that weird russian site never lets me find or use anything.
You were the one who said that strength in the Force is far more of a factor than skill and training.
Only becuase it gives you exactly the same things battle rage does: Speed, strength, reflexes, durability etc. Just being stronger doesn't help, you have to actually use them via those things.
The Force had nothing to do with it. Your syllogism was reliant on a comparison to this situation with Kreia blitzing a non-Force wielding civilian. It's irrelevant. Give Atton a decent connection to the Force and he would probably have rearranged Kreia's anatomy.
You actually can do this, remember? He still gets his face re-arranged.
Maul is not without sensitivity to the Force, but is a highly trained Sith apprentice. Luke isn't just going to b1tchslap him into nonexistence, and neither would Caedus.
And yet we have numerous showings of superiority in the force being more useful than training, tactics or skill. Bane beat the massively skilled Kas'im through superior Force power. Anakin beat Dooku with this as well, it specifically being mentioned that Dooku's 'decades of combat experience are irrelevent. His mastery of swordplay is useless'. Maul was superior to the highly skilled Anoon Bondara in the force, and beat him becuase of it (iirc).
If you put Luke Skywalker up against Bruce Lee, Luke would win. Not becuase he's more skilled, but becuase he's stronger, faster, has better reflexes and can better predict his opponents next actions.
In hand-to-hand combat, Maul effortlessly crushes either Luke or Caedus
No, becuase they're stronger in the Force than him, they would win.