Nephthys
And yet we have numerous showings of superiority in the force being more useful than training, tactics or skill.
Because unarmed combat and swordplay are identical martial arts?
Nephthys
Bane beat the massively skilled Kas'im through superior Force power.
Vague assessments of extremely protracted engagements don't constitute themselves as "the rule." Bane did not blitz Kas'im or crush him during their duel; it was an extremely lengthly engagement and there were times when Bane found himself on the defensive and on the verge of losing.
Nephthys
Anakin beat Dooku with this as well, it specifically being mentioned that Dooku's 'decades of combat experience are irrelevent. His mastery of swordplay is useless'.
Swordplay and hand to hand combat aren't the same thing. Dooku was (relative to Skywalker) an enfeebled octogenarian aristocrat. Skywalker was a physically monstrous combatant with unlimited Force reserves. Contrast that with Anakin's performance against Obi-Wan.
Nephthys
Maul was superior to the highly skilled Anoon Bondara in the force, and beat him becuase of it (iirc).
No, he beat him simply because he was better than Bondara. More skilled and more powerful.
Nephthys
If you put Luke Skywalker up against Bruce Lee, Luke would win. Not becuase he's more skilled, but becuase he's stronger, faster, has better reflexes and can better predict his opponents next actions.
Faulty analogy. Bruce Lee wasn't Force sensitive. Maul is.
Because unarmed combat and swordplay are identical martial arts?
They are for jedi. There's a reason jedi can use lightsaber forms in H2H. Same attributes apply; speed, power, reflexes, durability, precognition.
Vague assessments of extremely protracted engagements don't constitute themselves as "the rule." Bane did not blitz Kas'im or crush him during their duel; it was an extremely lengthly engagement and there were times when Bane found himself on the defensive and on the verge of losing.
This might be true, were it not for the fact that the text specifically notes that the reason bane was winning was because 'Bane was simply too strong in the Force'. Furthermore, Kas'im himself notes earlier that 'the Force is the real key to victory in any confrontatiion'.
Dooku was (relative to Skywalker) an enfeebled octogenarian aristocrat. Skywalker was a physically monstrous combatant with unlimited Force reserves.
'the Force is the real key to victory in any confrontation'. Dooku didn't seem that feeble when he blocked both Kenobi and Anakin with one hand, or when he kicked Obi-wan with enough force to almost break his neck. He even mulls at one point, 'Not only did the boy possess tremendous Force reserves, but his sheer physical power was staggering'. Note that his tremendous force reserves are held to be the primary reason Dooku's losing in a lightsaber duel.
No, he beat him simply because he was better than Bondara. More skilled and more powerful.
Fair enough.
Faulty analogy. Bruce Lee wasn't Force sensitive. Maul is.
Not quite. The point I was trying to make was that Luke wins becuase he's more force sensitive than Bruce Lee, something which can also be applied to Maul.
Goodnight.
Originally posted by NephthysNot quite. The point I was trying to make was that Luke wins becuase he's more force sensitive than Bruce Lee, something which can also be applied to Maul.
this isnt really a good point though. jango fett has im pretty sure beat the snot out of like 3 or 4 jedi knights by himself using only his fists through sheer skill alone.
Originally posted by bayhunter12
mabeye, but maul would have superior strenght and endurance. So maul would probably win. Plus maul could probaly take more hits then mara.
i agree that he probably has more durability and is stronger. but i think mara is faster and definitely a smarter/more resourceful fighter. plus i think there stamina is close.
i think mara could definitely pull her share of wins through intelligence and reading her opponent.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i agree that he probably has more durability and is stronger. but i think mara is faster and definitely a smarter/more resourceful fighter. plus i think there stamina is close.i think mara could definitely pull her share of wins through intelligence and reading her opponent.
In a brutal fist fight, you barely have time to think of anything resourceful to do against your opponent.
Maul is physically superior to mara in every physical aspect, his training was "pushed beyond the limit" and he has enough skill and dicilpine to allow sidious to trace his body with a lightsaber where the slightest twitch would mean instant death.
Note that i'm talking about a brawl.