Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He states, that his delirium "flees" his mind (It hasn't passed completely yet and so on.) and his strength is returning (It hasn't returned yet.) as he helps himself up against a pillar a page before he attacks Juggernaut.
This was a good 2 or 3 pages before he confronts Juggernaut
It is his most powerful attack. He emphasized that it was the same attack doesn't indicate it's the same level of power, just to clear that up. No where close.
4 straight panels son. 4 straight panels of Thor emphasizing the power of this blast.
He looks pretty clear headed and focused to me. Also, afterwards he's in perfectly good shape. Conjuring up winds to solidify the Juggernaut in a steel tomb.
I mean, he needed a damn stand for the first attack and it encompassed the likes of Galactus entirely, and against the Celestials, he even placed the belt of strength to double Mjolnir's fortifications and it's still shattered channeling that amount of power.
See, now that's an argument you can make for circumstances. Galactus was hungry and the Celestial didn't even take notice.
Obviously it varies in power, and the one against the Juggernaut is the weakest, one I've seen. Ever.
Maybe, to a fanboy. :😖hrugs::
The God Blast, is a result of Thor channeling his Godly Energies, through Mjolnir, and then releasing it. The fact that it depends on the amount of the Godly Energy he channels, should tell us that, Thor's strength affects it.
He says in the scan I provided it's a combination of his godly energies with mjolnirs inherent power. Neither would be effected by Thor being ill or weakened.
There's absolutely no evidence to support that that blast didn't work on the Juggernaut because Thor was weakened. Sorry.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
This was a good 2 or 3 pages before he confronts Juggernaut
One page, was Thor getting up, the next page, the next page was Juggernaut rampaging, and a page after that was their confrontation.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
4 straight panels son. 4 straight panels of Thor emphasizing the power of this blast.
That changes what? Thor loves his theatrics. He emphasized the blast and what it has done. That doesn't change the fact, that it's shown to vary in power depending on the amount of power he channels through it.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He looks pretty clear headed and focused to me. Also, afterwards he's in perfectly good shape. Conjuring up winds to solidify the Juggernaut in a steel tomb.
Yes because, Thor being physically weakened, would limit his ability to control the weather right?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
See, now that's an argument you can make for circumstances. Galactus was hungry and the Celestial didn't even take notice.
This changes what, at all, exactly? We aren't talking about the fight itself, but the portrayed level of power.
Thor's God Blast clearly varies in power. From a narrow, beam of light, that only pushed down Juggernaut, to an all encompassing blast that made Galactus run for his life and Thor needed a stand for Mjolnir and had trouble containing, to a powerful energy source that can seal tears in reality, to an all powerful attack against the Celestials that even with the belt of strength doubling the fortifications of Mjolnir, it still shattered. The same Mjolnir that easily channels, the power to destroy a Galaxy without any trouble.
Based on this how anyone can argue that it doesn't vary in power is beyond me?
The simple differences instances between the Juggernaut fight and the Celestial encounter proves so. The power of the God Blast depends on the amount of Godly Energies channeled.
The Celestial did take notice. That was clearly shown on panel. He actually affected the Celestials with this attack. Yea, it was retconed to Galactus being hungry.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Maybe, to a fanboy. :😖hrugs::
No to anyone with a lick of common sense. It's clearly obvious that it depends on the level of power being channeled by Thor. The simple fact that Mjolnir needed fortification and still broke in one instance and did not in another proves that.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He says in the scan I provided it's a combination of his godly energies with mjolnirs inherent power. Neither would be effected by Thor being ill or weakened.
It says united with the irresistible power of Mjolnir. Like I said, the God Blast is Thor's own Godly Energies channeled, contained/merged and then released through Mjolnir. Hence why the God Blast has been called, waves of unrelenting Asgardian energy.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
There's absolutely no evidence to support that that blast didn't work on the Juggernaut because Thor was weakened. Sorry.
Nah, there is.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
There was never an indication that the strange illness that afflicted Thor at the time ever left. It seems more like he momentarily recovered from it's worst effects, but it by no means indicated he was at full strength.
don't you ever say that again...you'll be classified as fanboy...apparently...🙁
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
One page, was Thor getting up, the next page, the next page was Juggernaut rampaging, and a page after that was their confrontation.
2 pages. Plus there's no indication of how long it's suppose to take for him to compose himself physically.
More speculation on your part.
That changes what? Thor loves his theatrics. He emphasized the blast and what it has done. That doesn't change the fact, that it's shown to vary in power depending on the amount of power he channels through it.
It serves to prove the power of the blast. Look at the writers narration bubble, he basically says the same thing.
Yes because, Thor being physically weakened, would limit his ability to control the weather right?
Yeah, because Thor being physically weakened would some how weaken his ability to use the GF blast.
This changes what, at all, exactly? We aren't talking about the fight itself, but the portrayed level of power.Thor's God Blast clearly varies in power. From a narrow, beam of light, that only pushed down Juggernaut, to an all encompassing blast that made Galactus run for his life and Thor needed a stand for Mjolnir and had trouble containing, to a powerful energy source that can seal tears in reality, to an all powerful attack against the Celestials that even with the belt of strength doubling the fortifications of Mjolnir, it still shattered. The same Mjolnir that easily channels, the power to destroy a Galaxy without any trouble.
Based on this how anyone can argue that it doesn't vary in power is beyond me?
The simple differences instances between the Juggernaut fight and the Celestial encounter proves so. The power of the God Blast depends on the amount of Godly Energies channeled.
The Celestial did take notice. That was clearly shown on panel. He actually affected the Celestials with this attack. Yea, it was retconed to Galactus being hungry.
Who said it changes anything? I just said there were actual circumstances behind those 2 other instances the GF blast was used.
There wasn't when he fired it at Juggernaut.
[QUOTE]No to anyone with a lick of common sense. It's clearly obvious that it depends on the level of power being channeled by Thor. The simple fact that Mjolnir needed fortification and still broke in one instance and did not in another proves that.
Not quite son. The level he was using was clearly demonstrated in the scan. It was the same blast he fired at Galactus and the Celestial. He says as much. There would be no point in the writer having Thor say that unless he wanted to emphasize the power of the blast.
If anything, Thor being able to affect Galactus or a Celestial in any way is PIS.
It says united with the irresistible power of Mjolnir. Like I said, the God Blast is Thor's own Godly Energies channeled, contained/merged and then released through Mjolnir. Hence why the God Blast has been called, waves of unrelenting Asgardian energy.
I see, more unsubstantiated nonsense. The GF blast has always been a combination of the 2. He united his power with the power of mjolnir. It says that in the scan I provided.
I guess, like always, you're going to ignore on panel evidence when it goes against your argument.
Nah, there is.
And yet, you can't provide any.
Hmmm.
Originally posted by Warlord
he did manage to stop him moving though...anyway I find it hard to accept that an attack that can crack celestial armor and hurt galactus leaves cain unaffected.
as for the fight I give Trion a slight edge
He wasn't unaffected. He got vertigo.
As I said to Rage, Thor being able to affect Galactus or Celestial is bad writing. This writer brought the GF blast down to more realistic levels.
im not saying that a stronger one would have hurt juggs but i think its pretty obvious that the gfb was weakend. to say thor was fully recovered from his illness is just silly and speculation whats not is that 2 pages before the fight he was so sick he was barely able to stand. also how can u account for the size of the beam and mjolnir not breaking even with the belt. are u saying mjolnir was weaker then it is now? i think ther writers used the illness and a weaker blast as a way to keep juggs invulnerable and for thor to save face by giving reasons/excuses as to why his powerful gfb couldnt put juggs down, leaving open the however unlikely posability of a stronger one stopping juggs.
back to topic. the ONLY chance the destroyer has is to be the one that odin himself used to fight the celestials 😉. or maybe his disentigration beam? which is said to be able to destroy EVERYTHING. but i personally doubt that would work.
other than that, i dont even think it would slow the trion juggernaut down. he was only hundreds of feet tall and more than likely (like most juggernaut appearances, gains or loses size according to power) 100's of times more powerful. he was physically tearing down dimensional barriers. i dont see how the destroyer could contend with that.
Originally posted by Raptor22
im not saying that a stronger one would have hurt juggs but i think its pretty obvious that the gfb was weakend. to say thor was fully recovered from his illness is just silly and speculation whats not is that 2 pages before the fight he was so sick he was barely able to stand. also how can u account for the size of the beam and mjolnir not breaking even with the belt. are u saying mjolnir was weaker then it is now? i think ther writers used the illness and a weaker blast as a way to keep juggs invulnerable and for thor to save face by giving reasons/excuses as to why his powerful gfb couldnt put juggs down, leaving open the however unlikely posability of a stronger one stopping juggs.
He wasn't wearing the belt when he fired the shot at Juggernaut. I don't see the relevance.
He was recovered when he fired the blast at Juggernaut. All on panel evidence proves this.