are you allowed to beat the hell out of retarded people...

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Rape and violence are two different things. If you have no choice but to beat the crap out of your attacker then you have no choice. What do you think I'm supposed to do, let the retard beat me up? Yeah right, like that's gonna happen.

No, if you must and I emphasis on the word must defend yourself use a method of restraint or simply hold your arm out to create a space between the two of you. Just because you choose to walk away instead of confronting the situation won't make you any less of a man.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you think just because I play violent videogames at a young age, you think it inspired me to carelessly beat up the mentally ill? I'm sorry but this is just plain friggin ridiculous. I play violent games and now I'm supposed to go beat up people and I think that I can get away with it? While I'm at it, why don't I just go blow up some cars, or maybe rob a bank, or better yet why don't I just steal all the weapons from a gun store and pretend everyone is a zombie?

actually, people who associate violent games with violent media don't think any of those things...

what research are you reading?

Originally posted by wicker_man
No, if you must and I emphasis on the word must defend yourself use a method of restraint or simply hold your arm out to create a space between the two of you. Just because you choose to walk away instead of confronting the situation won't make you any less of a man.

the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

Originally posted by inimalist
the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

However "beating the hell" out of someone is only really possible once you've already decisively won the fight and your attacker (now victim) can't defend his/her self.

Originally posted by inimalist

the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken. And there are plenty of ways to avoid this without any use of force. As you said yourself running or more to the point walking away is probably your best option.

Having weapons could only inflame the situation and could possibly end you up in hot water (maybe even literally) - for one you could be disarmed yourself and have the weapon turned on you, you may end up hurting the wrong person or you may end up getting in trouble with the Police and that is before going into any repurcussions down the line.

Anyways I thought this topic was about beating up those with mental problems, to which you have to take into account they do have issues to which they most probably can't help. Personally if I was ever in that case I'd rather keep my distance and at my very best try not to be put into that situation in the first place.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
However "beating the hell" out of someone is only really possible once you've already decisively won the fight and your attacker (now victim) can't defend his/her self.

indeed. though I imagine you might have more lenience with the justice system if that person is a gangbanger and not a mentally handicapped individual.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken. And there are plenty of ways to avoid this without any use of force. As you said yourself running or more to the point walking away is probably your best option.

I tend not to blame the victims of violence for the violence that happened to them. If you can't imagine a situation where someone has been the victim of violence for no fault of their own, you aren't reading enough newspapers.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Having weapons could only inflame the situation and could possibly end you up in hot water (maybe even literally) - for one you could be disarmed yourself and have the weapon turned on you, you may end up hurting the wrong person or you may end up getting in trouble with the Police and that is before going into any repurcussions down the line.

indeed it could. Though, it is just as easy to think of a situation where a weapon could assist in defense. We are speaking of already violent, re: escalated, situations.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Anyways I thought this topic was about beating up those with mental problems, to which you have to take into account they do have issues to which they most probably can't help. Personally if I was ever in that case I'd rather keep my distance and at my very best try not to be put into that situation in the first place.

but if you do become the innocent victim of violence, its entirely your own fault 😉

I tend not to blame the victims of violence for the violence that happened to them. If you can't imagine a situation where someone has been the victim of violence for no fault of their own, you aren't reading enough newspapers.

I read plenty of papers, but I also live in the real world don't think because I'm here on this forum I've never ventured out of my room and been put in situations where physical violence has been threatend on me. And in all honesty you didn't tell me why you were assaulted, maybe I should have asked, or you should have told.

indeed it could. Though, it is just as easy to think of a situation where a weapon could assist in defense. We are speaking of already violent, re: escalated, situations.

My friend works with children with behavioural problems and as far as I'm aware he's not armed. Despite being in numerous situations where he's been in 3 on 1 situations and threatend with all sorts of weapons.
At best you dis-arm (if you can), walk away, call for back-up or isolate the attacker.
Again I higlight the many other ways to deal with such a situation.

but if you do become the innocent victim of violence, its entirely your own fault 😉 .

Then I once again say take more care where you move and who you mix with. What I do when I'm out and about. Personally I don't go to parties that double up as fight clubs or western saloons.

Originally posted by wicker_man
I read plenty of papers, but I also live in the real world don't think because I'm here on this forum I've never ventured out of my room and been put in situations where physical violence has been threatend on me. And in all honesty you didn't tell me why you were assaulted, maybe I should have asked, or you should have told.

I was assaulted at my friend's home for asking the same type of people you said I should avoid to leave, as they weren't invited and the people I was chilling with are NOT that type of people (for instance, to give some context, smoking marijuana at the party was even taboo). I was attacked, while my arms were outstretched and I was saying "I'm not going to fight you", as we waited for the police to arrive (another indication of the type of people at this party: we outnumbered these guys easily 4/5:1, and we called the cops).

I guess I could have let them trash the house, threaten the women at the party and others, and ran in the opposite direction when I was specifically confronted by this individual.

I'd also thank you not to pass judgment on myself or people that I know. I'm not an idiot. If I got robbed for drugs, even I would understand this doesn't apply to what we are talking about. I know lots of victims who knew the risks when they got involved, but that is a different thread.

Originally posted by wicker_man
My friend works with children with behavioural problems and as far as I'm aware he's not armed. Despite being in numerous situations where he's been in 3 on 1 situations and threatend with all sorts of weapons.
At best you dis-arm (if you can), walk away, call for back-up or isolate the attacker.
Again I higlight the many other ways to deal with such a situation.

so, what you are saying is that there is no situation you can think of where a weapon possessed by the victim gives them better odds of defending themselves?

Originally posted by wicker_man
Then I once again say take more care where you move and who you mix with. What I do when I'm out and about. Personally I don't go to parties that double up as fight clubs or western saloons.

hey, cool, get personal and judge me and my friends. It is patently obvious you don't know what you are talking about in that regard.

do you also think rape victims were "asking for it"?

I was assaulted at my friend's home for asking the same type of people you said I should avoid to leave, as they weren't invited and the people I was chilling with are NOT that type of people (for instance, to give some context, smoking marijuana at the party was even taboo). I was attacked, while my arms were outstretched and I was saying "I'm not going to fight you", as we waited for the police to arrive (another indication of the type of people at this party: we outnumbered these guys easily 4/5:1, and we called the cops).

I guess I could have let them trash the house, threaten the women at the party and others, and ran in the opposite direction when I was specifically confronted by this individual.

If there was even the slightest hint of trouble I'd have called the Police straight away, that's just me and in all fairness this trail off has nothing to do with the original debate; "Is it ok to beat the hell out of 'retards'".

I'd also thank you not to pass judgment on myself or people that I know. I'm not an idiot. If I got robbed for drugs, even I would understand this doesn't apply to what we are talking about. I know lots of victims who knew the risks when they got involved, but that is a different thread.

I'm only replying to your posts, anything I'm replying to is only correspondence to them. You made the assumption I don't read enough papers and that I believe all victims are 'asking for it'. All NOT TRUE.

so, what you are saying is that there is no situation you can think of where a weapon possessed by the victim gives them better odds of defending themselves?

Not when it comes to attacking people with mental disablities no I don't and correct me if I'm wrong but this is what this thread is all about?

hey, cool, get personal and judge me and my friends. It is patently obvious you don't know what you are talking about in that regard.

I'm not judging your friends or indeed you I'm judging your posts - hey I'm only going on what you say.

do you also think rape victims were "asking for it"?

Since when did rape victims come into this arguement? I never said anyone 'asks for it', only those who think it's ok to carry weapons and beat the living hell out of people, then yes those people deserve whatever comes to them - hopefully a prison cell.

lol

just to point out, I was replying to a post you made about someone still being a man if they walk away from a fight

so, yes, I'm right, and we can go back to the topic at hand 😉

Originally posted by siriuswriter
😆
how long have you been holding this one in?

FINALLY!

You found my retarded joke. 😆

Originally posted by Peach
1. No they really aren't. Rape is an extreme form of violence.

This is truth.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

just to point out, I was replying to a post you made about someone still being a man if they walk away from a fight

so, yes, I'm right, and we can go back to the topic at hand 😉

Still, much of my post(s) refers to situations I'd deal with regardless of whether or not the person in question is of sound mind or not. I made that perfectly clear when I mentioned my friend who works with people in similar states of mind.

And there's no right or wrong answer, no matter how many 😉 you put.

ok, so your argument is that people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves?

this is untrue

and is, essentially, the same as saying that women won't be raped if they just avoid the situations that lead to it

it is THE blame the victim mentality

I get that you don't want it explained in that fashion, but that is what the conclusion of your points is. YOU have managed to avoid random acts of violence by doing whatever you do, so OTHERS must not be avoiding it well enough

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, so your argument is that people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves?

this is untrue

and is, essentially, the same as saying that women won't be raped if they just avoid the situations that lead to it

it is THE blame the victim mentality

I get that you don't want it explained in that fashion, but that is what the conclusion of your points is. YOU have managed to avoid random acts of violence by doing whatever you do, so OTHERS must not be avoiding it well enough

I thought we were getting back on topic? Not that I really left the topic to begin with.

No, I'm not saying people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves? It's funny how you assume what I'm saying then go on the offense and produce a response, even before you've given me chance to defend myself (no pun intended).

As I've already said I do not repeat DO NOT blame crime victims be they victims of rape, assault, theft or alien abduction.
I do blame idiots who carry weapons and think it's ok to beat people up - regardless of mental stability.

You said don't judge you, well stop being a hypocrite and judging me. If you want my views on 'do I think rape victims were asking for it' then start a thread on it or if you want my actual views on whether or not it is ok to carry weapons then do similar.

fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Woah, woah, woah.

You got into a fight and got your nose broken?

That's awesome.

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Then elaborate, and also don't finish such statements with the phrase lol. Maybe I'd have chosen a more subtle reply otherwise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Woah, woah, woah.

You got into a fight and got your nose broken?

That's awesome.

how is that awesome? My nose has a bend in it because of some idiot trailer trash, peckerwood caveman.

though, I felt mad tough, the guy didn't knock me down before he was restrained 🙂

Originally posted by wicker_man
Then elaborate, and also don't finish such statements with the phrase lol. Maybe I'd have chosen a more subtle reply otherwise.

ok, but even in the context of the thread

if a mentally handicapped person were to attack you, how is putting your hand out going to stop them

we aren't talking about deescalating a situation, we are talking about an escalated situation.

I'd agree with every word of what you said if it were not that the thread is about someone who is attacking you, not avoiding an attack, at which point, putting your arm out is a little bit laughable.

EDIT: think of it more like this. I'm imagining someone attacking me, and me putting out my arm and going "stop". That is from a comedy movie dude

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but even in the context of the thread

if a mentally handicapped person were to attack you, how is putting your hand out going to stop them

we aren't talking about deescalating a situation, we are talking about an escalated situation.

I'd agree with every word of what you said if it were not that the thread is about someone who is attacking you, not avoiding an attack, at which point, putting your arm out is a little bit laughable.

EDIT: think of it more like this. I'm imagining someone attacking me, and me putting out my arm and going "stop". That is from a comedy movie dude

If he or she is trying to provoke you or 'get up in your face' looking for some sort of provocation the thing I've learnt is to put your arm out to put some space between you both and try to get them to calm down. Personally if I was in a situation where it did get violent I'd either call for back-up or isolate the individual. I couldn't go on the offensive and lay the smackdown particuarly if they're of ill mind.

I agree, and outside of that situation, I've never been in a physical conflict. I've found them terribly easy to avoid.

EDIT: even if I were attacked, I'd do anything in my power to stop the attacker, but I see no reason to go further than that.

I know who knows a guy [etc] who saw his little brother getting his ass kicked. He jumped in and started pounding the guy, and ends up getting charged with assault.