Juggernaut (no shield) vs Hercules

Originally posted by leonidas
http://img141.imageshack.us/i/juggsshielded1ah9.jpg/

http://img92.imageshack.us/i/kineticenergyno1ov8.jpg/

there have been a couple different times where it seems he is able to control his shield. other times it seems it is just ALWAYS on. then there is the whole distinction between his 'force field' and his regular shield. then there is the bit about his supposed ability to amp his strength, something else almost never shown--at least nearly never stated as having happened. hell, i recall an old scan where he can blast energy attacks! he used to be such a simple character . . . 🙁

I was mainly talking about pertaining to his invulnerability.

Juggernaut can be Nacked for all its matter, Herc will face the same Pounding Hulk did when Juggernaut was in street clothes..

Herc wins.

I'll still give this to juggernaut.

Why? Even without his shield, Juggs has a (rarely used or seen) healing factor on top of his invulnerability. AFAIK Hercules doesn't.

It probably hadn't been thought up at the time of the Thor fight, but Juggs mentions he does have one when fighting Xforce. Shatterstar's blades went right through his mystic shields and he says "yeah, you can cut me, but I heal reeeeeeeeeeeal fast."

edge to juggs, given that this is the case.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
AFAIK Hercules doesn't.

Wow, there's some serious mis-information out there. Juggernaut didn't use his forcefield when going H2H with WWH and wasn't close to being injured, just embarassed.

Thor attempted to cut off his link to Cyttorak but could only partially do so, and weakened him all around. No FF, reduced durability, reduced strength. Cain gets everything from Cyttorak.

Probably to the level where he was when he shared the power with Black Tom or his Imposternaut levels.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Thor attempted to cut off his link to Cyttorak but could only partially do so, and weakened him all around. No FF, reduced durability, reduced strength. Cain gets everything from Cyttorak.

That is some BS. If Thor's whirlwind affected everything, then Cain would be Cain, a regular human. It only removed his forcefield.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That is some BS. If Thor's whirlwind affected everything, then Cain would be Cain, a regular human. It only removed his forcefield.

Haha, it's funny because he doesn't!

That's right...Cain wasn't using his field when he fought WWHulk. Herc. can't win this imo.

Sleeper hold FTW. 😱

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's right...Cain wasn't using his field when he fought WWHulk. Herc. can't win this imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Haha, it's funny because he doesn't!

You wanna start something, boy?

Bring it.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Wow, there's some serious mis-information out there. Juggernaut didn't use his forcefield when going H2H with WWH and wasn't close to being injured, just embarassed.

Thor attempted to cut off his link to Cyttorak but could only partially do so, and weakened him all around. No FF, reduced durability, reduced strength. Cain gets everything from Cyttorak.

Probably to the level where he was when he shared the power with Black Tom or his Imposternaut levels.

A regular human taking punches to the face from Thor without bleeding, bruises, or blood. 😐

The same mystic link that gives Cain his force field gives Cain *everything*. Thor was trying to use Mjolnir to sever that link. Thus if it worked 100% it would've made Cain a man again. But it didn't completely succeed.

IIRC neither Imposternaut nor Shared-Juggy had a forcefield anymore, or their full strength/durability.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
A regular human taking punches to the face from Thor without bleeding, bruises, or blood. 😐

Which is why I said Thor only partially succeeded. Everything stems from the one enchantment and when weakened Cain was more than human but less than Juggernaut.

Juggernaut has always been able to take punches from Hulk without raising his forcefield and had the strength to return blows too.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You wanna start something, boy?

Originally posted by Mindset
Bring it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well yea, those scans are both from the same time.

I was mainly talking about pertaining to his invulnerability.

the scans were for snoop who asked for them. 🙂

as far as his invulnerability--like i said, it appears to be inconsistently depicted as stemming from a shield that is always in place and a force field that he can AT TIMES call up at will. now it appears he has a healing factor thrown in as well? his powers really do run all over the place. 😬

from a different post--i also think thor canceled out just the force field. no indications that jugg's strength suffered in any way. oh, and herc DOES have a healing factor, it's just not as prominent as many others.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
DUDE Mindset will OWN YOU.... 😎

Originally posted by lft4ded
The same mystic link that gives Cain his force field gives Cain *everything*. Thor was trying to use Mjolnir to sever that link. Thus if it worked 100% it would've made Cain a man again. But it didn't completely succeed.

IIRC neither Imposternaut nor Shared-Juggy had a forcefield anymore, or their full strength/durability.

Yeah they didn't, but the weakened Cain Thor fought was above Imposternaut levels.