Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I can bring the fight Hulk had with the avengers too. What can you bring to the table to convince people that Herc might able to beat Hulk?
The fact that he is Thor's equal and strength should say it all. If he is assumed to be Thor's equal here as he technically is on paper, he takes this fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fact that he is Thor's equal and strength should say it all. If he is assumed to be Thor's equal here as he technically is on paper, he takes this fight.
Thor have power that Hercules doesn't possess. And Hercules is a brick: An awesome one, but still a brick. The kind of opponent Hulk trash easely.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thor have power that Hercules doesn't possess. And Hercules is a brick: An awesome one, but still a brick. The kind of opponent Hulk trash easely.
What is your point exactly? The fact that Thor is a lot more powerful than either has no bearing, as he doesn't use his power in his fights at all. Except a one shot lightning bolt.
He goes toe to toe with the Hulk so your point is moot. Thor fights the Hulk as if he was a brick and holds his own damn fine. For entire hours on end. No matter the incarnation. On top of that he holds back against the Hulk and others.
Like I said, if we are assuming he is Thor's equal which he is technically on paper, Hercules wins.
I seriously doubt Hercules is a match for Thor in strength. By Thor's own admission, Hercules might be a slightly better fighter. That's about it. If Thor were in a bad mood, he could annihilate Hercules.
Thor's best real contender is Hulk.
If Hulk were in a bad mood, more so than usual anyway, he would take that Mace and cave Hercules' f*cking skull in. Hulk may not be the best fighter, but he has extensive experience against Thor, so Hulk should be more than good enough to plant Hercules in the sh*t.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
im not talking strength.Thor strength/durability = herc roughly.
however thor speed, power out put versatility none of which he uses in fight vs herc >>>>herc.
Even in terms of strength/durability, sometimes Hercules simply doesn't match up to Thor's level. I simply don't see why Marvel can't keep it consistent outside of their fights.
His Thor's physical equal? Fine, but how the hell are we supposed to believe it if Marvel themselves don't. Well whatever....
Originally posted by BattlehammerSo you mean the things that were irrelevant to the discussion?
im not talking strength.Thor strength/durability = herc roughly.
however thor speed, power out put versatility none of which he uses in fight vs herc >>>>herc.
We were talking about physical attributes that have a bearing on hth fights. His magic is not hth fighting.
Herc is able to keep up with his speed just fine, seems like other bricks are able to as well, you can argue that he doesn't utilize his speed, but then again it doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Even in terms of strength/durability, sometimes Hercules simply doesn't match up to Thor's level. I simply don't see why Marvel can't keep it consistent outside of their fights.His Thor's physical equal? Fine, but how the hell are we supposed to believe it if Marvel themselves don't. Well whatever....
Originally posted by Mindset
So you mean the things that were irrelevant to the discussion?We were talking about physical attributes that have a bearing on hth fights. His magic is not hth fighting.
Herc is able to keep up with his speed just fine, seems like other bricks are able to as well, you can argue that he doesn't utilize his speed, but then again it doesn't really matter.
I actaully agree with this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What is your point exactly? The fact that Thor is a lot more powerful than either has no bearing, as he doesn't use his power in his fights at all. Except a one shot lightning bolt.He goes toe to toe with the Hulk so your point is moot. Thor fights the Hulk as if he was a brick and holds his own damn fine. For entire hours on end. No matter the incarnation. On top of that he holds back against the Hulk and others.
Like I said, if we are assuming he is Thor's equal which he is technically on paper, Hercules wins.
Well, your argument fall, because Hulk already batshit his face, with Namor's Wonderman's and Iron Man's.
So, since "technically", Hercules and Thor are equal, does that mean that Hulk would be able to repeat the feat minus Hercules and plus Thor?
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Well, your argument fall, because Hulk already batshit his face, with Namor's Wonderman's and Iron Man's.So, since "technically", Hercules and Thor are equal, does that mean that Hulk would be able to repeat the feat minus Hercules and plus Thor?
How does my argument fail?
I already told you. That if we assume that Thor and Hercules are equals in every physical aspect as they are on paper, Hercules would win here. In these forum fights, we place them at the level they are technically supposed to be not at the level some times writers place certain characters. Hercules is simply not consistently portrayed on Thor's level at times outside of their fights, hence why you get the results you do.
No he would not be able to repeat the same feat, because the same Hulk who did that to Hercules, Namor, Wonderman etc. was stalemated and got knocked on his ass by Thor alone.
Hence why I said, that if we assume Thor, and him are equals, Hercules wins this fight. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How does my argument fail?I already told you. That if we assume that Thor and Hercules are equals in every physical aspect as they are on paper, Hercules would win here.
ABC logic isn't a good debate technic in this forum. And since Hulk doesn't have any loss at the hand of Hercules, and since Hercules have been showed Hulk's inferior in the past, the only possible conclusion is that Hulk > Hercules.
It's not because A >/= B and A = C that neccesseraly, C >/= B.
Hulk would smash him, like he did most in the time in the past 40 years.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
do you mean like thise bricks that Trashed Hulk badly: Original Abomination, Maestro, HKH, Werecker, Juggernaut, TBird, Rulk, Apoc..... and the list keeps growing..... 💃
Original Apoc got his ass handed in every other encounter
Maestro got beaten
Don't know much about HKH but he seems to be a beast
Wrecker is a jobber, and it shouldn't be allowed as an argument: Low showing for Hulk
Juggernaut: Lol. When he beaten Hulk? I remember one time where Savage Hulk outsmart him, and the next time, WWH outmsarted him too.
Apoc is a good one, but with his powers, he might beat the hell out of Hercules too.
Rulk: Rulk punched a watcher and killed Grandmaster with like... Two punches. It took friggin Galactus to stop him. Rulk would lay the smack down on Hercules like he did on Thor the first time.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Original Apoc got his ass handed in every other encounterMaestro got beaten: NOT BY HULK.....
Wrecker is a jobber, and it shouldn't be allowed as an argument: Low showing for Hulk: SH@#T HAPPENS...here check the link once more: http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_04.jpg
Juggernaut: Lol. When he beaten Hulk? COME ON!! He almost killed him..but Redskull stoped him... 😱
Apoc is a good one, but with his powers, he might beat the hell out of Hercules too....LOTS OF BRICKS CAN KO HULK just like young Colossus did... 😆
