Blade vs Daken

Started by snoopdogg24 pages

Originally posted by jinzin
Yup.. Vampiric Spidey ignoring his spider sense and out for blood, is clearly the equivolent of the level headed Spiderman that humiliated Blade and left him in a cacoon of webbing.
You mean the human Blade that was cheap-shotted by a Class 10 Spider-Man to start the fight?

Originally posted by Creshosk
A spidey who was fighting the bloodlust and had a personality corruption?

Yeah Spidey in a "weakened" state where he's not in full control of his facilities is a good person to use.

Funny how there always seems to be some stipulation on the characters blade fights in order for him to "do well".

I've never heard this before. Where did you base this from?

Originally posted by jinzin
His syrem... which as stated might change Wolverine, it certainly wasn't his goto gameplan...

and if you keep insisting that it was, it would make blade one of the most idiot strategests in the world.

Yup. Worst. Strategist. EVAH.

it is possibly one of the only ways ot put down wolverine permanently, how would this make him the worst strategist?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You mean the human Blade that was cheap-shotted by a Class 10 Spider-Man to start the fight?

retconned in Guggenheims series for 1.

and he took one kick, to which he had time to set up a counter attack... which failed utterly.....

But hell, CONTEXT BE DAMNED he beat SPIDERMAN in that other fight right!?!

🙄

hypocrite.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yup.. Vampiric Spidey ignoring his spider sense and out for blood, is clearly the equivolent of the level headed Spiderman that humiliated Blade and left him in a cacoon of webbing.

A bloodlusted Spiderman is still very dangerous. Y'know he still has superhuman speed and would be even stronger.

Originally posted by jinzin
retconned in Guggenheims series for 1.

and he took one kick, to which he had time to set up a counter attack... which failed utterly.....

But hell, CONTEXT BE DAMNED he beat SPIDERMAN in that other fight right!?!

🙄

hypocrite.

Um his bio states he wasnt born a daywalker. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
retconned in Guggenheims series for 1.

and he took one kick, to which he had time to set up a counter attack... which failed utterly.....

But hell, CONTEXT BE DAMNED he beat SPIDERMAN in that other fight right!?!

🙄

hypocrite.

Retconned or not does not change the fact that he wasn't written with any vamiric abilities at that time. They've only had one fight since Blade was written as a daywalker and it didn't go well for Spidey.

Originally posted by Trackz
it is possibly one of the only ways ot put down wolverine permanently, how would this make him the worst strategist?

Aside from the fact that Wolverine let him get the vile out, and Blade probably would have died anyways?

his "plan" would necessarily HAVE to rely on Wolverine taking it easy on him to get into position to use the vile or even pull it out.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I've never heard this before. Where did you base this from?
Its common sense. A spiderman who's trying not to be a bad guy would be struggling to remain a good guy. And that struggle would detract from his overall performance.

Unless you think that spiderman is always out to kill in an aggressive fashion, he's not really comparable.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A bloodlusted Spiderman is still very dangerous. Y'know he still has superhuman speed and would be even stronger.

Perhaps, but what does enhanced stats matter if his transformation completely changed the way he fights? It's not the same guy and it's a complete farce to pretend that it was.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Um his bio states he wasnt born a daywalker. 😬

So guggenheim retconned it to a degree. Still retconned.

Originally posted by jinzin
Aside from the fact that Wolverine let him get the vile out, and Blade probably would have died anyways?

his "plan" would necessarily HAVE to rely on Wolverine taking it easy on him to get into position to use the vile or even pull it out.

I love how you guys like to invent stuff. Its understandable that you think Wolverine won but when you suddenly become telepathic and invent stuff like he let Blade get the vial out then you really go overboard.

How do you know he let him get the vile out?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Its common sense. A spiderman who's trying not to be a bad guy would be struggling to remain a good guy. And that struggle would detract from his overall performance.

Unless you think that spiderman is always out to kill in an aggressive fashion, he's not really comparable.

I remember Spidey saying he was trying to get out of the school and then he ran into Blade and a fight ensued. Blade did him a favor by not letting him escape.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Retconned or not does not change the fact that he wasn't written with any vamiric abilities at that time. They've only had one fight since Blade was written as a daywalker and it didn't go well for Spidey.

maybe because Spiderman was outside his right mind... again context be damned as long as Blade gets the win....

As for the retcon. "I don't like it, it didn't happen"

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
A bloodlusted Spiderman is still very dangerous. Y'know he still has superhuman speed and would be even stronger.
But nowhere near as fast as he would be if he was in control of himself.

Wolverine is able to keep up with that version of spiderman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I love how you guys like to invent stuff. Its understandable that you think Wolverine won but when you suddenly become telepathic and invent stuff like he let Blade get the vial out then you really go overboard.

How do you know he let him get the vile out?

hammer said that he let Blade shoot him earlier! 😆

No joke.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I remember Spidey saying he was trying to get out of the school and then he ran into Blade and a fight ensued. Blade did him a favor by not letting him escape.
You think its in character for a good guy to just accept the vampirism?

Way to ignore Spiderman's history with Venom there...

Originally posted by jinzin
Perhaps, but what does enhanced stats matter if his transformation completely changed the way he fights? It's not the same guy and it's a complete farce to pretend that it was.

Im not even arguing that im arguing hes still very dangerous.

Originally posted by jinzin

So guggenheim retconned it to a degree. Still retconned.

Not sure what your talking about but as far as I know the bio was written after Guggenheim said that shit. So the most up to date version is he wanst born daywalker.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I love how you guys like to invent stuff. Its understandable that you think Wolverine won but when you suddenly become telepathic and invent stuff like he let Blade get the vial out then you really go overboard.

How do you know he let him get the vile out?

Wolverine already had his arm up in position to strike down on Blade, or even just choke him/crush his windpipe. Blade didn't have the vile out in any visable point when he hit the floor, which means he had to reach in whatever, pocket/pouch/compartment, grab the vile, pull it out, pop off the cap, and lodge it into Wolverine's neck before Wolverine could make ONE move.... You really think Blade's faster than Wolverine in hand speed? AND TO THAT DEGREE?

DE-LUS-ION-AL.

Originally posted by jinzin
maybe because Spiderman was outside his right mind... again context be damned as long as Blade gets the win....

As for the retcon. "I don't like it, it didn't happen"

He was bloodlusted and Blade was standing in his way from acheving his destination. I don't see what the issue is.

As for the retcon...I don't care either way but you cannot deny that Blade at one time was not written as a daywalker. He never once showed fangs until after the Morbius bite.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I love how you guys like to invent stuff. Its understandable that you think Wolverine won but when you suddenly become telepathic and invent stuff like he let Blade get the vial out then you really go overboard.

How do you know he let him get the vile out?

Did Blade pull it out of his pocket faster than a bullet?

No? Cause Wolverine has moved fast enough to cut projectiles fired from guns out of the air. Given wolverine's speed it would have been easy to tag the vial or blade's hand. Given how very specific a motion blade had to make to pull an item out of his pocket.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You think its in character for a good guy to just accept the vampirism?

Way to ignore Spiderman's history with Venom there...

Wolverine accepted being turned into a Werewolf from a mere bite back in the day.