Originally posted by Sin I AM
im going with team one, the Colossus OR fight was garbage, sheer and utter trash, so Im completely ignoring it.And since when can a life force drain, drain something, thats dead?
oh so since you dont like what it shows your going to ignore it awesome greta debating skills 🙄
since when can dead walk, move think? it a comic.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
im going with team one, the Colossus OR fight was garbage, sheer and utter trash, so Im completely ignoring it.And since when can a life force drain, drain something, thats dead?
because dead-dead and UNDEAD aernt the same thing, undead still has a life-force i suppose, like zombie or somthing, you see the transformation from bitten human - dying - body dead - wakes up as a zombie, undeath, some sort of life force.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ecpt he was bleeding because omega red power was draining his energy and make the parts him he touch converting to human form, which is well with omega red powers and colossus for that to happen.and yet you have no problem drawing conclusion form single fights like wolverine vs colossus for one.
And they have fought before as well, but red never used life drain.
Which doesn't make any sense. Colossus is either, human, or metal. There is no in between. It's not how his powers work. For him to bleed would indicate some form of tissue, which there isn't. If he at least bleed something such as metallic liquid that can be rationalized. He was metal through and through. He had Omega Red pinned to a wall, at that moment even, and he was still bleeding. Doesn't make any sense. It's not within their powers as it goes against their powers.
I'm not drawing anything from that fight.
Okay.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which doesn't make any sense. Colossus is either, human, or metal. There is no in between. It's not how his powers work. For him to bleed would indicate some form of tissue, which there isn't. If he at least bleed something such as metallic liquid that can be rationalized. He was metal through and through. He had Omega Red pinned to a wall, at that moment even, and he was still bleeding. Doesn't make any sense. It's not within their powers as it goes against their powers.I'm not drawing anything from that fight.
Okay.
except you were, you said wolverine can't cut colossus becuase of that instances, now your ignoring another instances because you dislike what it shows.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which doesn't make any sense. Colossus is either, human, or metal. There is no in between. It's not how his powers work. For him to bleed would indicate some form of tissue, which there isn't. If he at least bleed something such as metallic liquid that can be rationalized. He was metal through and through. He had Omega Red pinned to a wall, at that moment even, and he was still bleeding. Doesn't make any sense. It's not within their powers as it goes against their powers.I'm not drawing anything from that fight.
Okay.
Has Colossus' transformation process ever been explained? It could be a case of something simple like, he transforms from outside to inside when going from human to metal, and thus would transfor from inside to outside when going from metal to human. What im getting at is If he was in any sort of weakened state, his insides could have had a hard time maintaining the metal form , thus bleed a little. And prolongued exposure to saod weakness might have transformed him back into human gradually.? Speculation of course.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Has Colossus' transformation process ever been explained? It could be a case of something simple like, he transforms from outside to inside when going from human to metal, and thus would transfor from inside to outside when going from metal to human. What im getting at is If he was in any sort of weakened state, his insides could have had a hard time maintaining the metal form , thus bleed a little. Speculation of course.
He's bled metallic liquid before, when Riptide made 7 or 8 cuts in his body. Colossus ignored it for like a day or so and then required help. The injuries would've killed him instantly in his human form though, so clearly there is some kind of odd thing to his physique.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Has Colossus' transformation process ever been explained? It could be a case of something simple like, he transforms from outside to inside when going from human to metal, and thus would transfor from inside to outside when going from metal to human. What im getting at is If he was in any sort of weakened state, his insides could have had a hard time maintaining the metal form , thus bleed a little. And prolongued exposure to saod weakness might have transformed him back into human gradually.? Speculation of course.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
shown.Nope, take hand for one, there bodies are dead, but they still posses a life force which is why they are different from one another, they talk ect. but there bodies are dead, they posses no heart beat.
No it not actaully, omega red power is to take ones life form an absorb it into them self.
He would stomp colossus and wolverine at onces and has. hell he even beaten on colossus with out his life drain and colossus got the drop on him.
Okay. Do you have scans? Just so I can understand his powers with better context.
Since when do undead posses a life force or soul? They are undead for a reason, my friend. Animated dead bodies do not indicate, a life force unless say, Deadman was occupying one or it was specifically stated. It really depends on the version. Some versions are simply animated by magic. Some are souls brought back from beyond the grave and forced into their dead bodies. It really depends. But in general, they undead are just animated dead bodies. Do you have the scans, or the context that specific undead?
Life Form? Do you mean life force?
I don't agree. That doesn't indicate at all that he would stomp Colossus. Colossus hits him with a sucker blow, Omega Red repeats it with coils, and then there is an interference and the mountain crumbles.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay. Do you have scans? Just so I can understand his powers with better context.Since when do undead posses a life force or soul? They are undead for a reason, my friend. Animated dead bodies do not indicate, a life force unless say, Deadman was occupying one or it was specifically stated. It really depends on the version. Some versions are simply animated by magic. Some are souls brought back from beyond the grave and forced into their dead bodies. It really depends. But in general, they undead are just animated dead bodies. Do you have the scans, or the context that specific undead?
Life Form? Do you mean life force?
I don't agree. That doesn't indicate at all that he would stomp Colossus. Colossus hits him with a sucker blow, Omega Red repeats it with coils, and then there is an interference and the mountain crumbles.
you dont have to posses a soul to posses a life force. There bodies are dead, but they have a form of life force/energy allowing them to be undead which is what he absorbs. there hand ninja's. same shit happen to elektra, she was for awhile and still may be undead, but she still posses a life force as does gorgon which can be drained.
life force I ment.
I never said that it indicated he would stomp colossus. Though it shows he more then strong enough to rapp colossus up and put him in a postion were omega red has the uper hand, this all occured with out using his ability to drain colossus life force. we seen what happens when red uses his life force drain on colossus.
what funny is people forget that red was in a very weaken stated when he fought wolverine and colossus.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
His power has shown to work like that before, and red power drians one energy, power, were he touched colossus directly was forcing it to transform back to human which is why it was bleed, becuases parts of his body were being forced to revert to human form. It goes with there powers, well within omega red powers for like something like this to occur.except you were, you said wolverine can't cut colossus becuase of that instances, now your ignoring another instances because you dislike what it shows.
What are you talking about? Colossus' powers have never been shown to work like that before. It's not how they work. It's not Colossus' power. His either human or metal. No in between. He was shown to be completely metal, and even had Super strength as he was pinning down Omega Red, yet Omega Red was able to stick his hands in him and make him bleed. That's not in his power set. It might be against other beings, but it's not how Colossus' powers work.
What are you talking about? What does the Wolverine and Colossus fight have to do with this situation?
I'm simply shedding light on the questioning situation of this showing. In this showing, something that happens to Colossus that goes against continuity. Hence why I said take it with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Has Colossus' transformation process ever been explained? It could be a case of something simple like, he transforms from outside to inside when going from human to metal, and thus would transfor from inside to outside when going from metal to human. What im getting at is If he was in any sort of weakened state, his insides could have had a hard time maintaining the metal form , thus bleed a little. And prolongued exposure to saod weakness might have transformed him back into human gradually.? Speculation of course.
As far as I know, it's been stated his either all metal or all human. No in between. Not how his power set works apparently. From what I've seen, the change happens instantly inside and outside, and moves through the body.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I can look it happen a few times I believe.you dont have to posses a soul to posses a life force. There bodies are dead, but they have a form of life force/energy allowing them to be undead which is what he absorbs. there hand ninja's. same shit happen to elektra, she was for awhile and still may be undead, but she still posses a life force as does gorgon which can be drained.
life force I ment.
I never said that it indicated he would stomp colossus. Though it shows he more then strong enough to rapp colossus up and put him in a postion were omega red has the uper hand, this all occured with out using his ability to drain colossus life force. we seen what happens when red uses his life force drain on colossus.
what funny is people forget that red was in a very weaken stated when he fought wolverine and colossus.
Thanks.
Like I said, there are different times of undead. A lot of the undead, are simply corpses that are animated through outside forces. Some undead, are simply beings resurrected. Some are forced souls put into dead bodies. It varies from story to story. Hence why I ask the scans.
Sure.
Colossus is what 600 pounds more or less? He was able to get the jump on him from underneath with his coils, and hold him in mid air. Not an impressive strength feat really. If Colossus doesn't have time to form some sort of leverage. And wasn't he out of the hold the next page?
You mean, he didn't have his armor on etc.? I haven't forgotten.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? Colossus' powers have never been shown to work like that before. It's not how they work. It's not Colossus' power. His either human or metal. No in between. He was shown to be completely metal, and even had Super strength as he was pinning down Omega Red, yet Omega Red was able to stick his hands in him and make him bleed. That's not in his power set. It might be against other beings, but it's not how Colossus' powers work.
Yes they have in an x-men comic they showed him getting shot by bullets and part of his body transformed to block it. I looking for the scans. They never explained how it wors, and colossus never delt with such an attack before to assume to wrong, is just not right.
Here a very good explanation for it as well.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Has Colossus' transformation process ever been explained? It could be a case of something simple like, he transforms from outside to inside when going from human to metal, and thus would transfor from inside to outside when going from metal to human. What im getting at is If he was in any sort of weakened state, his insides could have had a hard time maintaining the metal form , thus bleed a little. And prolongued exposure to saod weakness might have transformed him back into human gradually.? Speculation of course.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? What does the Wolverine and Colossus fight have to do with this situation?I'm simply shedding light on the questioning situation of this showing. In this showing, something that happens to Colossus that goes against continuity. Hence why I said take it with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks.Like I said, there are different times of undead. A lot of the undead, are simply corpses that are animated through outside forces. Some undead, are simply beings resurrected. Some are forced souls put into dead bodies. It varies from story to story. Hence why I ask the scans.
Sure.
Colossus is what 600 pounds more or less? He was able to get the jump on him from underneath with his coils, and hold him in mid air. Not an impressive strength feat really. If Colossus doesn't have time to form some sort of leverage. And wasn't he out of the hold the next page?
You mean, he didn't have his armor on etc.? I haven't forgotten.
it was hand ninjas every single time.
It not the lifitng it the fact he was able to holding him there and colosussus could do nothing, sure he had no leverage but colossus still class 100. Omega red let colossus go to deal with the monster who came behind him.
He dident have his armor true, but no that not what I mean. he had been tortured for months on end testing the limits of his healing factor, he was bad shape prior to the fight. think of what they were doing to wolverine except instead of hours they had months of differne types of torture.
