Colossus and Wolverine vs Daken and Omega Red

Started by Battlehammer7 pages

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Then why did he ask Colossus was he was looking at? If he was curious he would have looked way before Colossus did.

No I think he saw colossus look at something asked him and then let colossus go to look him self.

Nope. He was out before Red noticed anything. Colossus noticed him first.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nope. He was out before Red noticed anything. Colossus noticed him first.

you dont get what I am saying. colossus was staring at the creature, red asked what he was looking at, they heard a nioses and red let colossus go to turn and look himself. There nothing suggesting that colossus broke free, apeared red let him go.

Colossus was out before Red noticed the monster.

not at all. If colossus had over power the tenticles it would have been shown and stated, neither, text talked more in praises of omega red tenticles.

Got the impression Red released lossus to turn his attention the other way. Tis what it looked like to me.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Got the impression Red released lossus to turn his attention the other way. Tis what it looked like to me.

agreed.

Thats what he did. He let go of Colossus to grab the rock and throw it at the monster.

Regardless of what he did this fight isn't even close. Red solos or Daken solos, take your pick.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes they have in an x-men comic they showed him getting shot by bullets and part of his body transformed to block it. I looking for the scans. They never explained how it wors, and colossus never delt with such an attack before to assume to wrong, is just not right.

Well if you find the scan post it. It's been pretty clear that either Colossus is metal or human. There is no in-between. That's how his powers work.

Rogue's touch has been something that he has resisted before. Famine's ability did not work on him and neither did the Transmode Virus. I believe in World War Hulk/X-men, Elixir could not use his powers to affect Colossus in his metal form. Not abilities exactly like Omega Red's but still extremely powerful abilities nonetheless. Colossus has shown, the ability to resist, manipulation of different kinds.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here a very good explanation for it as well.

Already addressed that one.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what matter is the fact you full heartily took wolverine unable to cut colossus deeply based on a single showing and now you are question another character abilitiy to do so becuase you did not like what it showed?

Faulty logic at the very least. Before that showing it was unknown whether or not, Wolverine could cut Colossus. There is no showing of Wolverine cutting Colossus hence there is no showing to contradict that instance. The fight with Omega Red however contradicted Colossus established power set. It showed him being completely metal, yet having tissue underneath. At the very least the blood could have been metallic. The only one or two instances, that Colossus has done something resembling bleeding is when he bleed a metallic substance/liquid. Not actual blood, as he has no tissue, at all.

So how can you try to compare these two instances, and try to imply in some way, that I am a hypocrite? Completely two different situations. One instance was the first time such an occurrence happened without any past evidence of contradiction. The second was an event that contradicted a character's established past.

It's not that I didn't like what it showed; it's that it went against established showing.

Originally posted by Battlehammer I still looking.

Cool.

Originally posted by Battlehammer it was hand ninjas every single time.

Was this a resurrected Hand Ninja like Elektra etc. or simply a foot soldier? Isn’t there a difference between the two? Ninja’s like Elektra, are not rotting corpses or anything of the sort. The only difference really is that they are just under the control of the Hand. I don’t think they even classify as undead, unless you use the broadest definition of dead, meaning you died, and you came back to life. Many could fit that category.

What about the simple foot soldiers? Can you classify them as undead as well? Are they animated corpses, or simply beings resurrected and given a normal body. It depends on what you classify as undead, and the method they are brought back from the grave.

Originally posted by Battlehammer It not the lifitng it the fact he was able to holding him there and colosussus could do nothing, sure he had no leverage but colossus still class 100. Omega red let colossus go to deal with the monster who came behind him.

Your own scans:

He got his tentacles from underneath and surprised Colossus by holding him in the air for a single panel. Colossus was already on the ground in the next panel from what I can see in from that angle, before the monster even interrupted the fight. His able to lift 600 tons, with coils made out of Carbonadium is what that feat proves really. I don’t see how that impresses you but to each their own.

Originally posted by Battlehammer He dident have his armor true, but no that not what I mean. he had been tortured for months on end testing the limits of his healing factor, he was bad shape prior to the fight. think of what they were doing to wolverine except instead of hours they had months of differne types of torture.

Well, wouldn’t the torture be mute as he can drain the life out of his opponents, if we use that showing as an example? Also clearly they didn’t reach the limits of his healing factor. He didn’t have a scratch on him when he came out and was able to fight just fine was he not?

that bullet thing was colossus in the process of changing. he didn't go half and half.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Your own scans:

He got his tentacles from underneath and surprised Colossus by holding him in the air for a single panel. Colossus was already on the ground in the next panel from what I can see in from that angle, before the monster even interrupted the fight.

That's how I see it also.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Rogue's touch has been something that he has resisted before. Famine's ability did not work on him and neither did the Transmode Virus. I believe in World War Hulk/X-men, Elixir could not use his powers to affect Colossus in his metal form. Not abilities exactly like Omega Red's but still extremely powerful abilities nonetheless. Colossus has shown, the ability to resist, manipulation of different kinds.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292_2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292_3.jpg

This dude could absorb the physical substance of people by touching the but Colossus was immune while armored up.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292_2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/Colossus_Uncanny_X-Men_292_3.jpg

This dude could absorb the physical substance of people by touching the but Colossus was immune while armored up.

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Rogue:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRogue.jpg

Famine:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsWar.jpg

S'ym:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusvsSymnm73-3.jpg

I don't have the Elixir example.

When Hulk bent his arms, he had to turn back human so Elixir could fix them, and while he was metal they were literally bent, but when he turned human they were broken.

he had to turn back human so Elixir could fix them

Wut?
I remember them just bending his arms back, while in armored form.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Wut?
I remember them just bending his arms back, while in armored form.
Yea, they straightened his arms back by heating them with a lazer and then Strong Guy pulled them back into position and Elixir said he should be able to heal the rest when he turns back. Elixir mentioned something about Colossus' physiology or some crap before WWHulk showed up.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Rogue:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20agillity%20and%20speed/ColossusandRogue.jpg

why does collosus look like a blow-up doll here?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
why does collosus look like a blow-up doll here?
I don't own one so I don't know.