Anakin Skywalker vs. Darth Vader (NO FORCE)

Originally posted by kotorfan
Dammit man u ppl i can't believe this. Vader suit wins obviously... cuz

1. He has armour (Although ppl from hk use the british spelling, i'm using it cuz it looks like amor which is love in spanish... And that looks really weird so yeah idk.)

2. More strength
3. Even if Anakin is faster, he can't keep up without drawing on the force heavily, which he can't do in this situation
4. Vader can be fast when he wants to. Check out the roan shryne fight or w/e his name was. (Rise of Darth Vader) The book after ROTS.
5. Vader now has knowledge of all lightsaber forms, and combined it into his "ultimate form"

Ok i'm not sure if all the info is accurate, but I can't check now so sry about that.

school starts 2mrw thats why.

I weep for the future.

Well, the case of Vader's agility is rather interesting. He evades some foolz in Coruscant knights that counts as an impressive speed feat if I could remember what it was. The EU portrays him as not completely hopeless.

But physically he's no match for his "Anakin" self.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
You should be banned from posting. Why don't you check your information before you post it? Anyways, you're completely wrong. And you write it right after Advent gives you a LFL confirmation?

I weep for the future.

Hey not fair. I didn't even read the thread. sry

Well who's fault is that?

btw, what is an LFL?

CANDLE'S!

BURN!

Originally posted by Advent
If he were more skilled or even close to as skilled, he wouldn't be stalemating an older Obi-Wan Kenobi who had been out of practice for two decades when he held all the cards in his favor.

If he were more skilled or even close to as skilled, he wouldn't be overwhelmed by a sloppy assault carried out by a neophyte farmboy like Luke Skywalker.

You mean to say that Vader has more experience and perhaps a broader technical knowledge of saber forms. Vader doesn't perform better with a blade than Anakin; the highest form of canon supports that. According to LFL, "the injuries [Vader] sustained on Mustafar severely hampered his lightsaber prowess", and the "skill and power Anakin demonstrates as a young man is much greater". In other words, Anakin is a better duelist than Vader could ever hope to be.

Yes, I guess that you're right. I stand corrected.

I believe Darth Bader wins.

Lightsabers-Vader is definitely the more experienced and sophisticated of the two. With that ex prince I'd say Vader takes it. Yes Vader isn't as fast as he used to be or as agile, however hasn't he matched the speed of more agile opponents. Also his weapon is better than Anakins as his has dual blade function. Vader has more styles at his disposal and knows Anakins methods and maneuvers. His application of Djem So is better than Anakins as his is more refined and sophisticated due to more experience.

Anakin is a much faster duelist, strength is likely about equal.

Vader is more durable but Anakin seems to have stamina.

Anakin is a better pure Form V duelist and was considered the best practitioner of it, he also seems to employ Ataru as a back-up. Vader was forced to adapt his form to one of strength and patience, applying parts of all other forms in his hybridisation. In that regard I will have to agree with Master Dooku that a true master of one form is greater than a master of multiple forms.

I see this going down as it did between Vader and Luke in the throne room, except Anakin is even more ferocious and overwhelming.

Originally posted by Advent
According to LFL, "the injuries [Vader] sustained on Mustafar severely hampered his lightsaber prowess", and the "skill and power Anakin demonstrates as a young man is much greater". In other words, Anakin is a better duelist than Vader could ever hope to be.

Speed goes to Anakin.

Strength goes to Vader.

Durability goes to Vader.

Stamina/Endurance goes to Vader.

Weaponry goes to Vader.

Experience goes to Vader.

Technical sophistication/Refinement goes to Vader

Agility goes to Anakin.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Anakin is a much faster duelist, strength is likely about equal.

Vader is more durable but Anakin seems to have stamina.

Anakin is a better pure Form V duelist and was considered the best practitioner of it, he also seems to employ Ataru as a back-up. Vader was forced to adapt his form to one of strength and patience, applying parts of all other forms in his hybridisation. In that regard I will have to agree with Master Dooku that a true master of one form is greater than a master of multiple forms.

I see this going down as it did between Vader and Luke in the throne room, except Anakin is even more ferocious and overwhelming.

I agree with speed but I'd say Vader is stronger IMO.

I'd say Vader has Stamina and Durability due to his suit.

He was considered the best Dooku had ever seen. He hasn't seen Darth Vader. Vader like you said employed all forms due to his being crippled so he could reevaluate himself to become better instead of just relying on one style. As per purr Djem So I might have to disagree with you on who is the better pure form V. Also while Dooku is my 2nd favorite using one style does allow you complete focus on that one style however look at yoda and Sidious and Luke and Caedus and possibly Vader. All of which have mastered all seven styles yet could beat or match Dooku. I would also like to add windu to that least. Also does he say that a master of one form is greater than a master of multiple forms or did he he say it detracts from overall skill as one concentrates on more than one thing so not all focus is one style.

Anakin has been compared to meteor impacts by Dooku and Dooku is not the type to over-hype his opponents/contemporaries.

Anakin takes stamina because he can fight all out with tiring at all for extemded periods of time.

But he only took elements of those forms and incorporated said elements, he didn't hybridise all seven forms.

Anakin is a pure Form V master, Vader is not, that simple.

Yoda was a pure Ataru combatant, Luke copied Vader's form and refined it iver the following decades. Caedus is essentially an unknown. Mace Windu looked over the fighting styles of his fellow Jedi and used that as inspiration for completing Form VII: Juyo and creating Vaapad. Sidious is the only one that ambidextrously employed all seven forms in combat.

Technical mastery of all forms like a Cin Drallig, Kas'im or Raskta Lsu in no way puts you above dedicated masters of a single form/personal fighting style. As Dooku himself states.

Regardless LFL has stated that canonically Anakin is much more skilled than Vader.

Vader. Experience and sophistication win out over youthful vigor every time.

Even if Anakin goes Invisible Hand on Vader, which presumably he will, Vader will see it coming and is adapted to it.

Hm Advent's quotes don't pop up anywhere but in his/her post.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Weaponry goes to Vader.

Originally posted by Stigma
Whoa... does he have a cooler lightsaber or what?

Doesn't he have a dual phase function.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Anakin has been compared to meteor impacts by Dooku and Dooku is not the type to over-hype his opponents/contemporaries.

Anakin takes stamina because he can fight all out with tiring at all for extemded periods of time.

But he only took elements of those forms and incorporated said elements, he didn't hybridise all seven forms.

Anakin is a pure Form V master, Vader is not, that simple.

Yoda was a pure Ataru combatant, Luke copied Vader's form and refined it iver the following decades. Caedus is essentially an unknown. Mace Windu looked over the fighting styles of his fellow Jedi and used that as inspiration for completing Form VII: Juyo and creating Vaapad. Sidious is the only one that ambidextrously employed all seven forms in combat.

Technical mastery of all forms like a Cin Drallig, Kas'im or Raskta Lsu in no way puts you above dedicated masters of a single form/personal fighting style. As Dooku himself states.

Regardless LFL has stated that canonically Anakin is much more skilled than Vader.

Look what happened, Dooku was successfully able to hold off the assault. With that Vader would definitely be able to take it and even counter his assault.

So to can vader as his suit gives him stamina. Also it's a life support sham made to help his breathing as well.

He took elements from Ataru I know I but he mastered Makashi as seen in Empire Strikes Back, he no doubt mastered Djem So and Juyo as since becoming a SITH he would no doubt master Juyo as well. I can also see him mastering Shi cho as one as a Jedi Palawan he was required to learn it and possibly master it, also he would be fighting large groups of opponents, he would adopt soresu as his master was a master of the form and to better protect his suit.

Anakin is a pure fighter while vader has all 7. He knows all 7 but takes different bite from different styles but I believe has mastered all styles.

Yoda specialized in Ataru but was a mater of all 7 or at least 6 since he didn't go as far as Juyo. He is grandmaster of the order he is no doubt a master of all seven styles except Juyo for reasons stated above. You mean about 1-3 years after their first bout on cloud city. So he had time but not decades. Also when I said Luke I meant when he progressed further not by ROTJ. Windu was a Ayer of all 7 styles, creating his own variant of vaapad. He is also master of the order and thus would know all styles. Don't you need to know all seven styles or at least have some type of mastery in all seven before going after Vaapad?

I'm not saying just be just because you have mastered all seven forms that means you win automatically, I'm saying it helps as you have more versatility than a person with just one. Also Dooku employed tactics from all the other styles and encorporated them into his Makashi thus making one deadly form.
Anakin on the other hand I don't believe he had that mindset to where he thought that me having one form makes me better than people with multiple forms.

I don't really see how as Vader has more experience, his suit has increased his strenhgt stamina, and durability. Yes his speed is no where near where is used to be but hasn't he successfully defended faster opponents before. Also if these two meat and it's a pure saber fight, the tactics they employ are different. Vader knows everything about Anakin while Anakin doesn't with vader. Anakin is a hot head and can get pissed off pretty easily. Vader has more styles at his disposal. Vader has a better tactical advantage as well.