Muslim father kills his Two Daughters

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Yes the4y are, Pakistani folk kill of their Daughters if they don´t marry their chosen husband, there´s even escape hostels for muslim women in the UK now because of this. Its even worse if its an old codger who dies soon after & gets cremated in Pakistan (or india) because his wife can get burnt with his corpse if she´s unlucky.

And in Germany and other EU countries which have a large Turkish population, often women are killed by their family for "honour " reasons.

Really tolerant peaceful religion then?

Please don't be irgnorant on this issue, it's such a well documented problem and the faith it involves is even more well documented.

With a little reading you'll find that the five pillars of Islam adhere almost exactly to the ten commandments and the beatitudes.

I'm in no way defending or condoning what the extremists of this or any faith do, they're all the same to me.
I just believe you shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush so easily.

Also, Regarding the "widow" burning. This is actually a worn out Hindi tradition that some old widows invoke because they can't bare livving without their departed.
The catch is if the widow chooses to go this way, despite her family's veiws/ objectsions they have to support her wish.

If your grandmother livved in constant physical agony with a termincal disease, would you support her taking her own life in a "cleaner" fasion, say using a euthanasia machine? yes?

Well why should emotional pain be suffered any more? If it's terminal anyway.
Sure the method is brutal but i think it's also symbolic of the extreme love these long live-d people have for one another.
" i would rather burn alive than walk this road without you"

We could learn something from this strength of commitment im sure with western marriages being the joke that they are.

Originally posted by bogen
We could learn something from this strength of commitment im sure with western marriages being the joke that they are.

I assure you they're just as big a joke in Eastern Europe as well.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You had to think about that?

well it was a joke. but... yeah.

It was a good joke

I must have totally missed it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I must have totally missed it.

She was trying to make a smart ass comment, since I mentioned overpopulation and the drain on resources.
You didn't miss it, it just wasn't funny.

it really wasnt. kind of hypocritical because i berate people for making comments like that usually. sorry lil b.

No need to apologise, M. I'm not offended or anything. But I did think that is what you meant.

Anyway back to the discussion on Domestic Violence.

Domestic Violence is bad.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
She was trying to make a smart ass comment, since I mentioned overpopulation and the drain on resources.
You didn't miss it, it just wasn't funny.

I was just playing dumb really, like anyone could miss that she was joking.

Originally posted by shiv
Anyway back to the discussion on Domestic Violence.

Domestic Violence is bad.

Definitely...I am still wondering though why no one that claims that honor killings are such a big problem tells me just how many people a year get honor killed in Europe.

Originally posted by bogen
Please don't be irgnorant on this issue, it's such a well documented problem and the faith it involves is even more well documented.....

I was being ignorant on purpose because you can paint all these faiths, traditions etc with the same brush. Why?, because they are all medieval lunatic practices based on fairy tales, daft stories and scrolls written by drugged up or power hungry fools.

In this modern age these things should be banned & taught out of society at their roots.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I was just playing dumb really, like anyone could miss that she was joking.

Definitely...I am still wondering though why no one that claims that honor killings are such a big problem tells me just how many people a year get honor killed in Europe.

12 in UK alone every single year. I know Sweden has the problem and France, Netherlands and Germany too, but their numbers need to be researched.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
12 in UK alone every single year. I know Sweden has the problem and France, Netherlands and Germany too, but their numbers need to be researched.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I was being ignorant on purpose because you can paint all these faiths, traditions etc with the same brush. Why?, because they are all medieval lunatic practices based on fairy tales, daft stories and scrolls written by drugged up or power hungry fools.

In this modern age these things should be banned & taught out of society at their roots.

!2 people is about equivalent to the number of people who die from sand at the beach each year. It's not a big number.

Why is there a debate regarding this? Most western nations have laws that protect religious freedom but specifically ban certain religious practices that are considered destructive to society and contrary to the nations laws. That's why things like honor killing, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and female genital mutilation are illegal. There are certain allowances, i.e. killing bald eagles, hunting of cetaceans, brewing and imbibing mescaline, but they never involve hurting other people.

Nor does this call for launching an attack on Islam. A Muslim is no more wrong for killing a daughter than a Christian for executing a disobedient child or stoning a homosexual. Nearly every single religion has some law or aspect to it which is illegal under common law. This doesn't warrant devaluing someone's faith.

Oh, and country's that try to ban Kosher slaughter are completely retarded.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
With the number of support organizations and groups in the US that are ready and willing to intervene and help youths being threatened by their extremist parents, it's really the girl's fault for not getting off their asses and reporting their father's behavior to the authorities prior to this incident.

****ing *******, that is all.

Lets see

on the one hand according to lil b'

"12 women alone are killed by Muslims in the Uk every year" [UK = Scotland + Wales + England + Ireland].

According to Scotland Yard:

Two women in England and Wales are killed every week by a current or former partner. Every minute, police in the UK receive a domestic-assistance call, however only 35 per cent of such incidents are reported to police.
In London, around 100,000 cases are reported every year.

lets get this in perspective

Every week at least 2 women are successfully terminated by non muslims in England and Wales only.

Every week 0.08 women are terminated by muslims in England Scotland Ireland and Wales only.

Thus in terms of homicides your average blonde and blue eyed Caucasian uk civilian is 3000%** more efficient at killing women.

In total Non Muslim husbands kill over 104 women a year in the two territories of Wales & England. As a bonus every minute a white women is assaulted and every 3 minutes another white woman "falls down the stairs."

In contrast: Muslim marital homicides average out at 12 a year in the combined 4 territories of Scotland Ireland Wales and England. husbands are often outnumbered by women and children in a household and aren't around anyway to beat their partners up every minute of the day. or observe them tripping and falling down the stairs every three minutes.

Lets put some perspective on this lil bitchiness.

Its real easy to single out A particular demographic and view their activities in isolation. This is something which someone with a pre existing agenda or axe to grind would do.

I could say Muslims are violent evil and kill people.

But I know There are a lot of people on Death Row who were not Muslims when they were killing people.
Margaret Thatcher's evil son isn't a Muslim and he tried to Assassinate an African country's leader and Invade the country to get exclusive mining rights for a private consortium.

Every day I open the newspaper theres another story Caucasian guy poisons wife with mercury

Caucasian guy's wife found in a suitcase

Caucasian guys wife miscarriage's from a beatdown

Caucasian guys wife seeks restraining order

Caucasian wife cuts off husbands penis with sissors

Caucasian wife hires man to kill husband.

The object of this thread is Look at Muslims They are bad.
We are better.

A false premise.
We're worse.

The husband who poisoned his wife didn't give her a red flag. he didn't tell her What he really thought.

She had no warning he was going to commit First Degree Murder and She was the victim.

**[adjusted from 2400% to include homicides in Ireland and Scotland]

Do try to put some intelligence into a post like that, shiv. Lil was referring specifcally to honour killings, not any domestic homicide (and you making it just about parters or former partners is an exceptionally skewed look at the issue), and meanwhile you've entirely failed to account for proportions of Muslims to non-Muslims in your figures. Of course caucasians kill more when they are massively in majority; it is rates we are interested in, not raw numbers.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Definitely...I am still wondering though why no one that claims that honor killings are such a big problem tells me just how many people a year get honor killed in Europe.

big compared to relative size of the populations

I don't have numbers, but a prof I had studied South Asian immigrant communities in Canada, and said they were fairly problematic.

its like FGM, or other types of forced confinement. Its a cultural thing in very reclusive communities. I'm not saying there are a number of young south asian women who are dying and it isn't being reported, just that there are cultural reasons people don't talk about it. Female circumcision happens in all Western nations.

And in comparison to other forms of domestic violence and, well, burnt toast, stats about domestic violence for white people don't include honor killings, because whites don't honor kill that much any more. On the other hand, stats for honor killings in south asian communities do not include stats about domestic violence in those communities. There is no reason to think that domestic violence within south asian households is any less than that in white homes, just that it includes additional honor killings to regular domestic issues. "12 honor killings a year" is not "12 cases of domestic violence".

burnt toast and sand, regardless of smart they might look, don't premeditatively kill things. Hey, gang violence isn't a problem because it doesn't kill as many people as heart disease! (I don't know that for a fact...)

What is the Goal of this thread Ushagarak