Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not saying it's not a problem, it obviously is even if it only happened once in five years. I think it is exaggerated in speech though, for whatever reasons. If it is really 12 murders in a population of 60 million, then I think this problem (and it is one) gets way more airtime than some comparable or even worse problems.Like I said, it is a problem and it should be fought against but I think that in the reporting of the issue it generalizes a very small part of the muslim population (I don't know how many there are in England but there are about 5 million turks in Germany alone) as the norm. You know what I mean?
no, I get you.
I think a better context for it, however, is to talk about the lives of immigrant women, who do face more obstacles than average women in becoming part of society.
They face financial dependence, lack of language skills, distrust of conventional institutions, on top of the culture that they bring with them. People from lower castes in India, who immigrate to Britain, often complain that the caste system is worse in the west, or at least, the rules and codes are more strictly enforced.
Sort of in the broader picture of immigrant rights and the plight of women in those communities, I think the honor killings become fairly relevant, but I hear you, they aren't even close to the biggest problem in a nation.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I suspect at some point it has been in the culture of most civilizations, but these days it is associated with certain Muslim communities.
From stuff I've seen, it is a common feature of most South Asian nations. Indians have huge issues with honor killings. Female infanticide and the murder of wives/daughters-in-law are major problems, and in some places would be at least as bad as any Muslim nation.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Blame Bioshock.
ugh, wasn't that disappointing?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Australia is part of Europe now?
What´s that got to do with anything, or did I miss something.
As a matter of interest do the Aborigines or Maori´s have or had such barbaric practices in their traditions? I don´t thinks so, and their culture isn´t based on the Abrahamic religions. I wonder if this could be a key ingredient to this topic.
Originally posted by inimalist
From stuff I've seen, it is a common feature of most South Asian nations. Indians have huge issues with honor killings. Female infanticide and the murder of wives/daughters-in-law are major problems, and in some places would be at least as bad as any Muslim nation.
This is what I was getting at with Shiv, earlier. I don't have any data, but I think it is more prevalant in China, india, and Taiwan than it is in the UK. Still, I would like to see numbers on it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is what I was getting at with Shiv, earlier. I don't have any data, but I think it is more prevalant in China, india, and Taiwan than it is in the UK. Still, I would like to see numbers on it.
oh no, not at all. It is still better in the West for women, and many immigrants leave to escape these things. I'm sure a lot of the reason why low caste people feel it is so invasive in their lives in the West is because they left India to be away from being a second class citizen, and they are now a second class citizen amongst second class citizens (immigrants).
As far as numbers go, I'd be astounded if it was more prevalent in the West. That being said, I care far more about a single injustice within the borders of my own nation than I do about attempting to impose or change cultural norms in other parts of the world. Its like when Canadians argue about our Afghanistan mission. "Oh, we are building schools for girls there", well shit, we have native reserves without schools all over our country... /sigh
Originally posted by Morgromir
you ppl are saying , they chose to get shot , because they didnt tell anyone their father was muslim ?
No, I'm saying they didn't tell anyone their dad is insane. Not muslim. The simple fact that you assume that;s what we were saying makes me think you either didn't even read the posts at all, or that you have a learning disorder.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
With the number of support organizations and groups in the US that are ready and willing to intervene and help youths being threatened by their extremist parents, it's really the girl's fault for not getting off their asses and reporting their father's behavior to the authorities prior to this incident.
You are wrong. Someone who lives with an insane person can have a type of Stockholm Syndrome were they don't get help until it's too late.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
No, I'm saying they didn't tell anyone their dad is insane. Not muslim. The simple fact that you assume that;s what we were saying makes me think you either didn't even read the posts at all, or that you have a learning disorder.