Originally posted by leonidasI do not see how that can be viewed as anything but PIS of the highest order. Do you honestly think it makes any sort of sense that Bobby would be able to defeat a being capable of building/breaking worlds (namely Battleworld)... a being with power greater then that of a Watcher.... A being who calls the absolute zero temperature of space his home.... By simply freezing his optical blasts and eyes? Give me a break.
well, it was very effective against stranger and stranger>SD . . . if SD can't move, well . . . 😐
Iceman also "beat" Oblivion by throwing snowballs at him. Should we use that as formal evidence too? Lol.
Stardust takes this. I don't see it as much of a battle either.
Originally posted by leonidas
well, it was very effective against stranger and stranger>SD . . . if SD can't move, well . . . 😐
I'm wondering how it can be effective against anyone with the power cosmic. Stardust's skin obviously burned BRB, who can survive practically any kind of heat. Releasing energy from all around his body can't be that hard. Don't see what the stranger matters either, he did shit. He was physically harmed by Juggernaut, frozen by Iceman and so on.
It's a freezing attack, it's ice. The idea that freezing a herald would work as even a temporary solution is just....yeah.
Originally posted by Kris Blazefacepalm
I'm wondering how it can be effective against anyone with the power cosmic. Stardust's skin obviously burned BRB, who can survive practically any kind of heat. Releasing energy from all around his body can't be that hard. Don't see what the stranger matters either, he did shit. He was physically harmed by Juggernaut, frozen by Iceman and so on.It's a freezing attack, it's ice. The idea that freezing a herald would work as even a temporary solution is just....yeah.
Originally posted by dmills
Well I think Blair kinda answered his own inquiry. If psionic energy can be frozen, as Bobby has done before, then Bobby, being a psionic being, should be affected by similar potent forces.
That Psi energy had a physical manifestation that was shown in the physical world. Bobby does not, he just resides in ice. There are differences there.
Originally posted by Merlyn
A being who calls the absolute zero temperature of space his home....
Space is not absolute zero.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's a freezing attack, it's ice. The idea that freezing a herald would work as even a temporary solution is just....yeah.
Its not JUST ice.
Originally posted by MerlynWhy would it be pis?
I do not see how that can be viewed as anything but PIS of the highest order. Do you honestly think it makes any sort of sense that Bobby would be able to defeat a being capable of building/breaking worlds (namely Battleworld)... a being with power greater then that of a Watcher.... A being who calls the absolute zero temperature of space his home.... By simply freezing his optical blasts and eyes? Give me a break.Iceman also "beat" Oblivion by throwing snowballs at him. Should we use that as formal evidence too? Lol.
Stardust takes this. I don't see it as much of a battle either.
And Space is not absolute Zero, its three degrees above absolute zero.
Oh, let me guess. its pis because bobby's a filthy mutie...
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm wondering how it can be effective against anyone with the power cosmic. Stardust's skin obviously burned BRB, who can survive practically any kind of heat. Releasing energy from all around his body can't be that hard. Don't see what the stranger matters either, he did shit. He was physically harmed by Juggernaut, frozen by Iceman and so on.It's a freezing attack, it's ice. The idea that freezing a herald would work as even a temporary solution is just....yeah.
bobby doesn't just 'freeze'. he essentially drains/absorbs thermal energy, which at its base is simply a measure of kinetic energy. it's very much akin to what flash does. so, SD can be frozen by bobby. i don't think he can do it fast enough, and if he did, it would come down bobby's ability to keep him frozen, vs SD's own ability to control his energy form.
as i said, i'm not saying bobby would win--in fact i said the opposite was most likley. just saying, to say bobby simply 'freezes' something is a bit of an oversimplification of his powers.
Originally posted by Creshosk
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Originally posted by leonidas
bobby doesn't just 'freeze'. he essentially drains/absorbs thermal energy, which at its base is simply a measure of kinetic energy. it's very much akin to what flash does. so, SD can be frozen by bobby. i don't think he can do it fast enough, and if he did, it would come down bobby's ability to keep him frozen, vs SD's own ability to control his energy form.as i said, i'm not saying bobby would win--in fact i said the opposite was most likley. just saying, to say bobby simply 'freezes' something is a bit of an oversimplification of his powers.
Not really. The result is that they get frozen. Call it what you want, freezing or "draining stardust's thermal energy" won't do anything worthwhile. It'll buy Bobby a moment's respite at best. Now I'm betting some joke in here will get really wound up about Iceman. Claim that I oversimplify his powers, try to save his honour, prove that Iceman is the shit because he freeze people and reform.
But in the end it doesn't matter. He's fighting an energy being who can reform at will, wields a cosmic force that allows him to do -anything- and takes apart planets, etc, etc.
Originally posted by Merlyn
I do not see how that can be viewed as anything but PIS of the highest order. Do you honestly think it makes any sort of sense that Bobby would be able to defeat a being capable of building/breaking worlds (namely Battleworld)... a being with power greater then that of a Watcher.... A being who calls the absolute zero temperature of space his home.... By simply freezing his optical blasts and eyes? Give me a break.Iceman also "beat" Oblivion by throwing snowballs at him. Should we use that as formal evidence too? Lol.
Stardust takes this. I don't see it as much of a battle either.
space is not absolute zero. bobby does more than make things cold. stranger has been stalemated by quasar. stranger is still composed of atoms which possess kinetic energy. remove said energy and he can be frozen. obviously. should stranger be powerful enough to override bobby's control. probably, but it doesn't make the fact that the attack worked for a short time pis.
gawd i hate that term . . . forum needs a more stringent definition because anytime someone doesn't like something it's the first thing they cry . . .
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
facepalmfacepalmNot really. The result is that they get frozen. Call it what you want, freezing or "draining stardust's thermal energy" won't do anything worthwhile. It'll buy Bobby a moment's respite at best. Now I'm betting some joke in here will get really wound up about Iceman. Claim that I oversimplify his powers, try to save his honour, prove that Iceman is the shit because he freeze people and reform.
But in the end it doesn't matter. He's fighting an energy being who can reform at will, wields a cosmic force that allows him to do -anything- and takes apart planets, etc, etc.
do you think flash could steal his speed?
Originally posted by leonidasAnd usually for not very good reasons.
space is not absolute zero. bobby does more than make things cold. stranger has been stalemated by quasar. stranger is still composed of atoms which possess kinetic energy. remove said energy and he can be frozen. obviously. should stranger be powerful enough to override bobby's control. probably, but it doesn't make the fact that the attack worked for a short time pis.gawd i hate that term . . . forum needs a more stringent definition because anytime someone doesn't like something it's the first thing they cry . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
because you think SD's control over his own energy form would prevent it?
Partially.
I can't imagine Wally's speedtrick working on anyone powered by the power cosmic. Especially not Stardust.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Okay genius, I facepalmed at your circular reasoning fallacy."Bobby freezing the stranger isn't that impressive, because he's a wuss, because Bobby froze him."
I know, you like to get hung up on things like that when you have no arguments or nothing to do in a thread but try and start something.