Originally posted by jrodslam
The reason for my question is because as long as there is any type of moisture around, Bobby becomes a part of it, thus, his consciousness can be anywhere. Hence Jean whose a highly powerful telepath not even being able to detect his consciousness asking if he was still there.
yeah, but my point was if SD absorbed and contained his consciousness, even if there were an ocean 3 feet away from him, it wouldn't matter because his consciousness is trapped and can't reach out. it seems a viable tactic, and a sure win for SD.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You don't seem to be listening.He has a mind. There is no reason why Jean couldn't detect it. X-men forever was bullshit.
And neither do you.
Ive posted ways where people are unable to to telepathically detect someone. If youre unable to lock onto someones consciousness, your ability to affect them becomes limited.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but my point was if SD absorbed and contained his consciousness, even if there were an ocean 3 feet away from him, it wouldn't matter because his consciousness is trapped and can't reach out. it seems a viable tactic, and a sure win for SD.
If the consciousness was absorbed yes. SD would have to locate it would he not? In order to absorb it? Or would he just try to absorb everything in that area and hope Bobbys consciousness was there?
Its just like in the comic where Jean counldnt detect Bobby. If she were trying to absorb, how would she if she didnt even know if hes around?
Originally posted by MerlynSo it's an "I didn't like it" argument from you then. Because if the two incidents are on par, and he's done it more then once, you have to start questioning why it wouldn't be acceptable for him to do such a thing.
Well, the ridiculousness of the "Oblivion incident" is certainly on par with the "Stranger incident."
Originally posted by CreshoskI think you need to listen a bit more. Those instances being ridiculous have NOTHING to do with me simply "not liking them."
So it's an "I didn't like it" argument from you then. Because if the two incidents are on par, and he's done it more then once, you have to start questioning why it wouldn't be acceptable for him to do such a thing.
Oblivion is an abstract entity. You'd have to be a fanboy of the highest order to think that harming him in any way via a snowball attack makes any sort of sense (not to mention that event happened decades ago.)
As far as Stranger goes, it's like I've said several times now -- Considering his history of owning many of Marvel's elite (Surfer, Super Skrull, Overmind, Quasar, Watchers, etc.) -- as well as building/breaking entire planets -- The notion that he could be harmed by Bobby simply freezing his blasts/eyes is ridiculous. Why? Because Stranger's 'average' feats trump Bobby's.
But do I really expect you to take any of that into consideration? Nope. You'll just keep maintaining that Bobby is "the creation of a Celestial", so anything should be possible. Lol.
Originally posted by MerlynSo the two feats are not on par with one another.
I think you need to listen a bit more. Those instances being ridiculous have NOTHING to do with me simply "not liking them."Oblivion is an abstract entity. You'd have to be a fanboy of the highest order to think that harming him in any way via a snowball attack makes any sort of sense (not to mention that event happened decades ago.)
Originally posted by MerlynSure if you're forgeting a characfter's growth over time to where Bobby's bee pulling more of his high end stunts than hos older ones. But hey, lets ignore that shall we? Filthy mutie.
As far as Stranger goes, it's like I've said several times now -- Considering his history of owning many of Marvel's elite (Surfer, Super Skrull, Overmind, Quasar, Watchers, etc.) -- as well as building/breaking entire planets -- The notion that he could be harmed by Bobby simply freezing his blasts/eyes is ridiculous. Why? Because Stranger's 'average' feats trump Bobby's.
Originally posted by MerlynWell, why not? That's part of his character... as is the growth in his powers.
But do I really expect you to take any of that into consideration? Nope. You'll just keep maintaining that Bobby is "the creation of a Celestial", so anything should be possible. Lol.
Time was he could only cover himself with snow... then he could cover himself with ice... then he became ice.
Its like the first time he started covering himself with ice yelling "Its ridiculous for him to be able to do that given his average showings."
Because a character has to forever be stuck as they first appeared?
So his older showings before he figured out how to do the new things count against him being able to do the new things?
Yeah... that's fair. 🙄
Originally posted by jrodslamMaybe if owning cosmic beings whom possess Stranger's background for pwning uber characters was something Bobby did on a regular basis....
Maybe if trying to halt all kinetic energy in a being was something they did on a regular basis, they wouldnt have.😬
Ahh forget it, there's no use. Bobby > ALL!
Originally posted by Merlyn
I think you need to listen a bit more. Those instances being ridiculous have NOTHING to do with me simply "not liking them."Oblivion is an abstract entity. You'd have to be a fanboy of the highest order to think that harming him in any way via a snowball attack makes any sort of sense (not to mention that event happened decades ago.)
What exactly happened in the oblivion incident? Cuz iceman hurting oblvion in the slightest is actually alot more ridiculous than any of the nonsense that even Rulk has managed to pull off.
Originally posted by Naija boy
What exactly happened in the oblivion incident? Cuz iceman hurting oblvion in the slightest is actually alot more ridiculous than any of the nonsense that even Rulk has managed to pull off.
IIRC, Iceman took Oblivion down with an "avalanche of truth." It was more of a philosophical debate, and Iceman knocked him down with a snow avalanche.
edit: The Feat http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4976/ice14dz5.jpg
Originally posted by jrodslam
If the consciousness was absorbed yes. SD would have to locate it would he not? In order to absorb it? Or would he just try to absorb everything in that area and hope Bobbys consciousness was there?Its just like in the comic where Jean counldnt detect Bobby. If she were trying to absorb, how would she if she didnt even know if hes around?
but . . . bobby is standing right in front of him? how could he not know where his consciousness is? you're saying that if he blows him up bobby's consciousness could hide from him? i guess, for a time. but what good would that do bobby? the moment he regained some form or other SD would know where he is and could simply absorb and trap his consciousness--even assuming he simply didn't do it from the outset.
SD also has cosmic awareness. that in itself might prevent bobby from hiding from him. i'd not think bobby could hide from ss. SD doesn't have quite the awareness feats, but he DOES have CA, so that alone may make hiding impossible. it could also let SD know a LOT about bobby even before the fight begins.
and bw--that whole avalanche thing seemed a lot more METAPHYSICAL than physical to me. that's didn't appear to be anything at ALL like bobby beating him with snowballs. more like the typical character fighting off a concept like despayre or something along those lines. not sure, but that's what it seemed like to me.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
IIRC, Iceman took Oblivion down with an "avalanche of truth." It was more of a philosophical debate, and Iceman knocked him down with a snow avalanche.edit: The Feat http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4976/ice14dz5.jpg
Wow...just wow. I mean from the looks of that scan oblivion was just laid out by an avalanche of snow. Was that Oblivion himself though? or just a mental a representation of him or something like that. Please tell me it was because if it wasnt that would be.......bad
