Originally posted by leonidas
and as regards the stranger--how long was he frozen?
More than a couple seconds:
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Can someone show me the halberd feat. Just so I can see it? Thanks
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and he didn't simply kill them then absorb them--they were still LIVING beings, as galactus himself confirms:
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my earlier point about possibly having to battle bobby's consciousness because SD took their essences INTO himself (as i initially thought was the case . . .) may still hold, but SD didn't seem to be struggling in any way at all to contain the essences of 53 energy entities and their collective consciousnesses. if SD can disassemble bobby the same way he did this group of energy beings i see no reason why he couldn't just absorb him the same way he did them. he could even feed bobby to galactus at a later time if bobby were being a nuisance.
the feat is valid, imo. SD wins.
Thanks Leo.
Well from those scans, like you said, he didnt kill them, but he was able to absorb their consciousness into himself and they were his guide. did he lose his consciousness prior? Why would he need theirs to guide him?
Also, was he able to use their consciousness because they were of the same race/species? He did state that "To our people, death is uncertain.."
Yet, he offered them to Gal as energy? I assume they are unable to reform like bobby, because SD stated that he would not leave them to die.
Anyways, when Iceman was absorbed, he was absorbed as a whole and not killed either, and he stayed dormant inside the being that absorbed him until he felt the time was right to come out.
Also, in another instance when his body was destroyed, he was able to take the moisture from a person who was a telepath, and kill them. Now im not sure on the level of telepathy, but she seemed to be unaware of his consciousness or his powers thus unable to stop him from doing so.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thanks Leo.Well from those scans, like you said, he didnt kill them, but he was able to absorb their consciousness into himself and they were his guide. did he lose his consciousness prior? Why would he need theirs to guide him?
Also, was he able to use their consciousness because they were of the same race/species? He did state that "To our people, death is uncertain.."
Yet, he offered them to Gal as energy? I assume they are unable to reform like bobby, because SD stated that he would not leave them to die.
Anyways, when Iceman was absorbed, he was absorbed as a whole and not killed either, and he stayed dormant inside the being that absorbed him until he felt the time was right to come out.
Also, in another instance when his body was destroyed, he was able to take the moisture from a person who was a telepath, and kill them. Now im not sure on the level of telepathy, but she seemed to be unaware of his consciousness or his powers thus unable to stop him from doing so.
- He didn't lose his consciousness or anything. Stardust continued all the same after he gave up the remains of his race to Galactus.
- Are you referring to his fight against Fuego? Because the way that Iceman killed him would naturally not work against Stardust. That much should be obvious.
- Who was this telepath he killed?
Originally posted by Kris BlazeSome blind one down in hell. Had uber regeneration. it was during the run we discovered who nightcrawlers father was.
- He didn't lose his consciousness or anything. Stardust continued all the same after he gave up the remains of his race to Galactus.- Are you referring to his fight against Fuego? Because the way that Iceman killed him would naturally not work against Stardust. That much should be obvious.
- Who was this telepath he killed?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- He didn't lose his consciousness or anything. Stardust continued all the same after he gave up the remains of his race to Galactus.- Are you referring to his fight against Fuego? Because the way that Iceman killed him would naturally not work against Stardust. That much should be obvious.
- Who was this telepath he killed?
Oops, my bad. It said conSCIENCE, not conSCIOUS.
Yes i am, and if that tactic were tried, why would it not work?
The telepath he killed was Ginniyeh. Also, in the x-men forever series, after Bobby spread through the ship, Jean was unable to detect his consciousness.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thanks Leo.Well from those scans, like you said, he didnt kill them, but he was able to absorb their consciousness into himself and they were his guide. did he lose his consciousness prior? Why would he need theirs to guide him?
i think he was feeling bad for doing what he did to them. he wanted their consciousnesses to act as a conscience for him. he didn't NEED them in any way, as he showed when he fed them to galactus.
Also, was he able to use their consciousness because they were of the same race/species? He did state that "To our people, death is uncertain.."
that is unclear, but his race is a race of energy beings, each possesses a unique and seperate consciousness, so i don't see why he could NOT do the same to bobby. 😬
Yet, he offered them to Gal as energy? I assume they are unable to reform like bobby, because SD stated that he would not leave them to die.
they can't transfer consciousness like bobby can if that's what you mean. SD is capable of reintegrating himself--he said only he was able to do so because only he had the will to do so. i think his race COULD do the same thing, they just don't seem to want to.
Anyways, when Iceman was absorbed, he was absorbed as a whole and not killed either, and he stayed dormant inside the being that absorbed him until he felt the time was right to come out.
i'm not saying absorbing bobby would kill him--not at all. i'm just saying that it would almost be a form of consciousness bfr. he'd be trapped, and hence, SD would win. i'm still not sure that bobby could survive a singularity. imo, his consciousness couldn't but evidence is still lacking one way or the other.
Also, in another instance when his body was destroyed, he was able to take the moisture from a person who was a telepath, and kill them. Now im not sure on the level of telepathy, but she seemed to be unaware of his consciousness or his powers thus unable to stop him from doing so.
and SD is entirely composed of energy. no moisture to manipulate, though i guess a case could be made for bobby's consciousness trying to draw off SD's personal thermal energy. while being trapped inside SD though, that seems like a bit of a reach, imo . . .
Originally posted by jrodslam
Oops, my bad. It said conSCIENCE, not conSCIOUS.Yes i am, and if that tactic were tried, why would it not work?
The telepath he killed was Ginniyeh. Also, in the x-men forever series, after Bobby spread through the ship, Jean was unable to detect his consciousness.
- No worries. He never displayed any kind of conscience, so I guess it's hard to say. Think it was supposed to show how dedicated Stardust was.
- Because Stardust reforms from the power cosmic. He's powered by the power cosmic and there's absolutely no reason to believe that Iceman can cut him off from this power-source, absorb someone VASTLY more powerful or escape being trapped. Fuego's power is arguably below Iceman, they're not equals. Only reason why Fuego was able to keep Bobby down was his element. Stardust is different.
- Aah yes. Iceman can definitely kill people with his power. When he reformed in Uncanny X-men (or x-men v2) he took urine from like 5 people and reformed. That's pretty decent control. Anyways, the idea that Jean can't sense his consciousness is absolute and utter bullshit. Similar would be when she could sense Dust without problem in New X-men.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not saying absorbing bobby would kill him--not at all. i'm just saying that it would almost be a form of consciousness bfr. he'd be trapped, and hence, SD would win. i'm still not sure that bobby could survive a singularity. imo, his consciousness couldn't but evidence is still lacking one way or the other.
The reason for my question is because as long as there is any type of moisture around, Bobby becomes a part of it, thus, his consciousness can be anywhere. Hence Jean whose a highly powerful telepath not even being able to detect his consciousness asking if he was still there.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Aah yes. Iceman can definitely kill people with his power. When he reformed in Uncanny X-men (or x-men v2) he took urine from like 5 people and reformed. That's pretty decent control. Anyways, the idea that Jean can't sense his consciousness is absolute and utter bullshit. Similar would be when she could sense Dust without problem in New X-men.
When was this? Urine to reform? If youre talking about the Draco arc, they didnt do it. He wound up getting it from the telepath.
Its utter bullshit because she was able to sense Dust and not Bobby?
Originally posted by jrodslam
When was this? Urine to reform? If youre talking about the Draco arc, they didnt do it. He wound up getting it from the telepath.Its utter bullshit because she was able to sense Dust and not Bobby?
- Oh right! I was close.
- Yes. And whether or not he has a physical form shouldn't matter, a mind still a mind.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Oh right! I was close.- Yes. And whether or not he has a physical form shouldn't matter, a mind still a mind.
Close in arc.
A mind is still a mind yes, however, its hard to do anything with or to the mind if its signal(if you wanna call it) is faint/weak, shielded, to far(for some), or you just cant get a lock on it, which appeared to be the case with Jean and Bobby.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Close in arc.A mind is still a mind yes, however, its hard to do anything with or to the mind if its signal(if you wanna call it) is faint/weak, shielded, to far(for some), or you just cant get a lock on it, which appeared to be the case with Jean and Bobby.
A mind is still a mind, regardless of physical form.
