Did God make animals wrong?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
To say "we cannot understand" includes you and I. The true nature of reality is beyond the understanding of this small primate living on this planet. The bible was written by humans. Therefore you cannot point to the bible as if it somehow understands the true nature of reality.

I do wonder If any human can find fault with this belief....Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I can! Just like you can point to something that you read and believed that explains the true nature of reality. Some people will never hear of the Bible before they die. These people and people that will never believe it are still loved by their creator like a parent loves their child and will be judged fairly and allotted much mercy. That's my belief but I do not fault the people that do not share it. I think faulting people for not sharing your beliefs exactly is arrogant no matter what your beliefs are.

I do wonder If any human can find fault with this belief....Love thy neighbor as thyself.

It depends on if you like your neighbor. 😉

Originally posted by The MISTER
I think faulting people for not sharing your beliefs exactly is arrogant no matter what your beliefs are.

I wouldn't apply that as an absolute principle. It prevents me from teaching math to my little brother.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I do wonder If any human can find fault with this belief....Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Alice a hardcore masochist. Her neighbor, Bob, is a hemophiliac.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I do wonder If any human can find fault with this belief....Love thy neighbor as thyself.

why would you presume to know that your neighbour wants to be treated as you do.

I am a very reclusive person and generally want people to leave me alone. I treat others like this, but tend to come off as cold or mean. Thus, they do not want to be treated the way I want to be treated, and I tend to have to make an effort to accomodate their social expectations.

Did God make animals wrong?

Disappointed by apes, God created man. He then forewent further experiments.

- Mark Twain

Originally posted by inimalist
why would you presume to know that your neighbour wants to be treated as you do.

I am a very reclusive person and generally want people to leave me alone. I treat others like this, but tend to come off as cold or mean. Thus, they do not want to be treated the way I want to be treated, and I tend to have to make an effort to accomodate their social expectations.

You know what you consider mistreatment don't you? If you do then you can presume how your neighbor wants to be treated. With care. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I wouldn't apply that as an absolute principle. It prevents me from teaching math to my little brother.

Alice a hardcore masochist. Her neighbor, Bob, is a hemophiliac.

Originally posted by The MISTER
They can respect each others personal differences and have a positive friendship. 😮‍💨

Which is very different from loving each the way they wish to be loved, by any measure.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which is very different from loving each the way they wish to be loved, by any measure.

Originally posted by The MISTER
You're taking it out of context. Love thy neighbor as thyself doesn't mean that if you like turnips then you serve your neighbor turnips. It means that you find out what your neighbor likes as much as you like turnips, and you serve him that. If he loves you the way he loves himself then when you go eat at his house he serves turnips even though they aren't his favorite.

That doesn't really make any sense. Or at best it is an extremely roundabout way of getting to "do unto other as they would have you do unto them".

I'm inclined to think the intent was more along the lines of "value others as much as you value yourself".

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't really make any sense. Or at best it is an extremely roundabout way of getting to "do unto other as they would have you do unto them".

I'm inclined to think the intent was more along the lines of "value others as much as you value yourself".

You treat people the way you want to be treated. Your heart knows when it's being hypocritical. Each individual is aware of what they consider to be mistreatment. Committing an action against someone that you consider to be wrong when it's committed against you is evil.

What those actions are is unique to each individual, but when a person does treat others the way that they want to be treated it takes conscious effort and they can feel it's rewards in their spirit. My belief is that only God is fit to judge a person's heart no matter what their faith is. Even an atheist can be a blessing to many people if they don't have a hypocritical heart. Not believing in God does not make a person evil.

Originally posted by The MISTER
You treat people the way you want to be treated.

You said that before and then argued for something completely different.

Originally posted by The MISTER
Your heart knows when it's being hypocritical. Each individual is aware of what they consider to be mistreatment. Committing an action against someone that you consider to be wrong when it's committed against you is evil.

No it's not. These sorts of absolute rules can pretty much always be shown to have flaws.

If someone cremated me I would consider that wrong. Alice wants to be cremated. The moral action is clearly to cremate Alice (once she dies) rather than fear hypocrisy and bury her instead.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You said that before and then argued for something completely different.

Originally posted by The MISTER
What was it that I argued for? 😮‍💨

You clearly argued for the position that you should treat others as they wish to be treated, which is reasonable but not what you said you were arguing for.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You clearly argued for the position that you should treat others as they wish to be treated, which is reasonable but not what you said you were arguing for.

Treating someone the way you want to be treated can be difficult. Helping the nerd up when the bully pushes him down might be harder than just going with the crowd of people laughing at him. Hitting your brother because he just hit his wife might be an act of treating him the way that you would truly want to be treated.

If you consider cremation wrong then you would make sure to carry out any dead persons reasonable request concerning the disposal of their bodies since you would like them to honor your request to not be cremated. If you were to bury someone who asked to be cremated then you would be acting hypocritically for you want your request to not be cremated honored. The other thing you could do is to honestly refuse for anyone to expect you to cremate them and make them aware that if it falls on you they will be buried. Then if it is important to them they can find someone else to handle that for them.