Originally posted by Gideon
Advent and a certain sock both made eloquent and considerable arguments for Odan Urr; it's practically impossible to contradict the case they made. The Dark Nest Crisis and much of both subsequent series illustrate that while Skywalker's powers remain more formidable than Jacen's, he did not have his nephew's scope of Force knowledge, which is why (I reiterate) Skywalker is travelling to these various cults that Jacen made on his sojourn: to learn what his nephew knew that he himself did not.
I never argued Jacen's superiority in esoteric force techniques. But there's nothing to suggest Jacen possesses the number of light side/dark side techniques that Luke does. And I believe I addressed Advent's argument.
Traditionally, if a Force user is a master of more arcane, complex techniques, he or she has a knowledge that surpasses someone with a more basic perspective.
So you're saying Jacen's knowledge surpasses that of Palpatine?
Power and knowledge are not the same concepts; the fact that Skywalker was powerful does not mean that his knowledge of the Force is greater than those who are weaker than he is.
I never said it did.
Your desperation is tangible; this is the price one pays for losing on multiple fronts. You're the one back peddling and we've all noticed that you failed to address or concede the bulk of my argument.
Who is "we"? What "we" have noticed is you pushing the same agenda for the past month. What "we" have noticed is you stating something that's already a given on this forum, and continuing to state it.
You need to do one or the other, and you need to do it soon. It would be a shame for you to be otherwise relegated to the status of a certain sock and ignored.Disagree all you like. Argue all you like. But you will either address your opponent's argument or, failing that, concede.
I addressed a particular part of your argument where you claimed Jacen had deeper command of force techniques. In the future, I suggest you be more specific, rather than making general statements.