Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Easiest? Trance Kuja scorched a planet!
weve been through this before, and again ill ask the question, did he do it in less time than a second? can he do it before Dante blows his head off or slices him in two? or with a thought slows/stops him in time? I very much doubt it.
Hell ive seen nothing but a 3 second cast time laser from Kuja....
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
trance kuja and sephiroth? the weapons of ff7 were afraid to fight sephiroth even though thats why they were sent. bahamut couldnt even harm regular kuja. they are the toughest thats why they are last.and extremespeed (godspeed in japanese versions) is faster than kain or raziel can react.
Afraid? where does it say that? and I dont blame them, he has the neg lifestream doesnt he that corrupts and assimulates the lifestream that their made out of. Unlike Dante. Dante is too fast and powerful for both them.
200mph? a human can react to 200 mph...hell cars can move at 200mph, its not really that fast tbh. Also what is his strength feats? theres no point in going on about his speed if he breaks his arms and legs as soon as he hits into Kain....
Although they stop at 1, they could defeat all except 3 I would guess. But dante is by far the major reason they would win.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
the weapons protect the planet and were sent by the earth to fight sephiroth. the ultimate weapon was waiting for the barrier to disappear before fighting sephiroth but after the barrier was gone it didnt because sephiroth had already surpassed him in power.
Show me this and thats not indication that the weapon was afraid, Sephirohs only shown weapon against the size, durability and strength of a weapon is his neg lifestream when he has it.....unless they let him take ages to cast a spell.
ages to cast a spell? watch sephiroth vs genesis. genesis cast fire on zack and sephiroth pretty quickly but to you thats ages i guess right?
bt they didnt even attempt to fight him which was their purpose. ultimate weapon was waiting for the barrier to come down but when it did he never attacked sephiroth... wonder why.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
This whole thread will go faster if you take my word for it, Zero stomps Dante. He has centuries of fighting experience, he's stronger than Dante, maybe faster and he's definitely more durable.
not faster and its not just dante fighting him either
edit: i checked the dante vs zero thread and there was no definite winner either so explain the zero stomp.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
ages to cast a spell? watch sephiroth vs genesis. genesis cast fire on zack and sephiroth pretty quickly but to you thats ages i guess right?bt they didnt even attempt to fight him which was their purpose. ultimate weapon was waiting for the barrier to come down but when it did he never attacked sephiroth... wonder why.
Ive seen it, he casts a fairly measly spell and its a long time to cast when Dante can freeze time with a thought. not to mension not all their spells are cast even that quickly.
So your assuming and guessing? I dont wonder why, I want to know real facts, if its fact and actually stated this weapon was scared of Sephiroth then thats still no feat at all....the thing is obviously a coward and has heard too much from Sephiroths fanboys....
The army is hopeless against Kain anyway, add Raziel and its a stomp, they cant kill either of them and they would be hardpressed to knock any of them out. Kain could kill any of them with a slash id wager as well and I bet Dante is the only one who could counter it.
Because his time has range, its not global.... so unless they start off standing next to eachother its a bit useless to do it at the beginning of the fight.
Furthermore Kain can teleport quicker than the typical thought, so he could be gone and away from the range even if he is close.
Thirdly Kain can go mist, its I dont think Dantes ever slashed a weather pattern even if it is frozen in time.
Finally Dantes weapons will not likely do a lot of damage to Kain anyway, and if he does somehow manage it, he can reform.
I could go find Acrosurge's post on how strong Megaman is, and that would give you an idea for how powerful Protoman is. With Zero being far more advanced, you'd also have a great idea of how powerful he is.
But, that would involve me doing some searching, and I don't want to because I can't even remember what thread it was.
acrosurge was debating the dante vs zero thread still no definite winner. megaman>protoman>>shademan
aeris arcanine and company would handle those 2 and the come help dante. zero isnt soloing.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Because his time has range, its not global.... so unless they start off standing next to eachother its a bit useless to do it at the beginning of the fight.Furthermore Kain can teleport quicker than the typical thought, so he could be gone and away from the range even if he is close.
Thirdly Kain can go mist, its I dont think Dantes ever slashed a weather pattern even if it is frozen in time.
Finally Dantes weapons will not likely do a lot of damage to Kain anyway, and if he does somehow manage it, he can reform.
why wouldnt dante's weapons harm kain? kain wouldnt react faster than dante's thoughts either. not to mention snake has heavy fire power that would damage kain unless kain has feats displaying great durability.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
acrosurge was debating the dante vs zero thread still no definite winner. megaman>protoman>>shademanaeris arcanine and company would handle those 2 and the come help dante. zero isnt soloing.
why wouldnt dante's weapons harm kain? kain wouldnt react faster than dante's thoughts either. not to mention snake has heavy fire power that would damage kain unless kain has feats displaying great durability.
So they think both at the same time, Kain is teleported, time is stopped....in Dantes area where Kain is not...and Kain has shown feats far faster than a typical thought, Dante has shown some ncie reaction feats but not like Kain, time slow lasts for like 8-10 seconds anyway...
Kain can either mist or teleport to survive or avoid the time stop/slow...and then proceed to rape the rest of the team with his own. He does not need raziel although Raziel can go invisible, slash with his soul eating blade and use TK to mess up his opponents and if hes destoyed he simplydrains spectoral matter from the spectoral realm and re-appears but thats not going to happen, Raziel can phase and is prob almost as hard to damage as Kain.
Hes survived at least 30/40 tons of piercing force slicing into him without any damage at all, then take into account youll need to blast Kain into piecies to make any effect since his organs and body parts are not vital to him, Snakes not even going to hit Kain with a weapon before hes one hit slashed. Dante is the only one on his team who could harm Kain, and even then it would be nigh impossible, and impossible to kill him.
it will not kill half the team, arcanine are highly durable and live in active volcanoes, extremespeed will nulify kain's teleport and knock him down before it gets pulled off. for now ryu is a sitting duck but snake's camo helps him, unless kain has great vision. aeris and dante both have time effecting attacks so yeah either kain is instantly stopped or arcanine knocks him down then he is stopped.
It happens in lest time for a thought to circulate, so hows this animal which likely has a slower amount of understanding possibly going to reach 200 mph which is not really that fast to stop Kain? its impossible. Arcanine will not even begin to attack before Kain is gone, killed Snake, Ryu and Aeris and then Arcanine itself only to round on a terrified Dante. Then butcher him with any number of his powers.
Raziel then suddenly pops out of his invisiblity and impales Dante, annoying Kain for ruining his finish and they battle to the death, both dieing in a paradox.