not sure what imperiex has to do with anything, but yes, the same kyle was shown to be less powerful than solaris, who in turn had an output less than the sun. If kyle's ring, or his control over it, was superior or equal- absorbing or containing an exploding sun would have been no problem. as it was, it was tearing him apart.
Originally posted by Space M ummyThere's nothing to debate, the later storyline, Legacy; the last will and testament invariably told us that reigniting the sun wasn't a difficult task for him. He did a lot more than that. Did you not read my post?
I have read the story, but no longer have it. If someone has scans so we can see exactly what part of reigniting Sol killed Hal (since it's not really debatable that the feat killed him) that might settle it, since we disagree.My interpretation is that the energy itself might be infinite, but Hal's ability to manipulate it at that level was not and the strain killed him. And again, we're talking current Sinestro, who doesn't have anywhere near that level of power.
Here, I'll post it again so you can take it in one more time.
Originally posted by Juntai
That's a pretty big oversimplification of what Hal did. Did you ever read that story by chance?In Final Night, Hal could have reignited the sun easily. But that wasn't merely all he did. He got rid of the sun eater, which was extra-special in this case, as it existed in multiple dimensions at once. He also set into motion the events for Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan where Kyle figured out that the Ring and Marty were manifestations Hal left behind- enough energy to rebuild OA in all it's glory at the center of the universe. Another part of the energy allowed Kyle to become ION 1.
Even Kyle in Last Will and Testament said "The green is infinite, dude. [referencing of course the power Hal was wielding as Parallax] How much of it do you think Hal needed to ignite a sun?!" suggesting the absurdity of Hal using all his power to fix Final Night.
In fact, most of your post was garbage.
Why would you think Hal's ability to manipulate energy at that level would not be enough, when in Zero Hour, he was recreating the multi-verse?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am saying, he held the power of Imperiex. And if I remember correctly, imperiex stores the power of a big bang.
I don't find bringing imperiex into it useful since we don't know how much power he TRULY has, other than "a lot." Kyle failed to stop imperiex anyway, so it's a moot point.
Without getting too off track, my point was this. Surfer can take hits up to the output of a small star without damage, and has absorbed one before. So damaging him with energy alone would have to exceed this by quite a bit.
In the one instance where we have kyle's ring versus a sentient star (whose total output is less than Sol) it's shown conclusively that kyle's ring (or his control over it) is less. Otherwise Kyle could have tanked Solaris by himself.
Hal MADE that his final moments on his own decisions.
so you're saying Hal decided to suicide by choice? I'm not sure I buy that interpretation.
Originally posted by Space M ummyImperiex's energy create a second big bang. It's not just 'a lot'.
I don't find bringing imperiex into it useful since we don't know how much power he TRULY has, other than "a lot." Kyle failed to stop imperiex anyway, so it's a moot point.Without getting too off track, my point was this. Surfer can take hits up to the output of a small star without damage, and has absorbed one before.
Surfer didn't absorb a star, got scans?
There was one people were tossing around before that was a single panel or two that made it look like he did, then MrMaster I think it was, showed the rest of it, and not only did he not do it, or even close, but it nearly drove him mad trying. It was too much energy for him.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I don't find bringing imperiex into it useful since we don't know how much power he TRULY has, other than "a lot." Kyle failed to stop imperiex anyway, so it's a moot point.Without getting too off track, my point was this. Surfer can take hits up to the output of a small star without damage, and has absorbed one before. So damaging him with energy alone would have to exceed this by quite a bit.
In the one instance where we have kyle's ring versus a sentient star (whose total output is less than Sol) it's shown conclusively that kyle's ring (or his control over it) is less. Otherwise Kyle could have tanked Solaris by himself.
so you're saying Hal decided to suicide by choice? I'm not sure I buy that interpretation.
What's so hard to understand???
Originally posted by Space M ummyI told you what the story said.
so you're saying Hal decided to suicide by choice? I'm not sure I buy that interpretation.
He also set into motion the events for Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan where Kyle figured out that the Ring and Marty were manifestations Hal left behind after Final Night- enough energy to rebuild OA in all it's glory at the center of the universe.Even Kyle in Last Will and Testament said "The green is infinite, dude. [referencing of course the power Hal was wielding as Parallax] How much of it do you think Hal needed to ignite a sun?!" suggesting the absurdity of Hal using all his power to fix Final Night.
Originally posted by Juntai
Imperiex's energy create a second big bang. It's not just 'a lot'.Surfer didn't absorb a star, got scans?
There was one people were tossing around before that was a single panel or two that made it look like he did, then MrMaster I think it was, showed the rest of it, and not only did he not do it, or even close, but it nearly drove him mad trying. It was too much energy for him.
it's in the respect thread somewhere, I'll post it if I can locate it. There's also the scan I posted where quasar absorbs the equivalent of "a small star" from surfer's power cosmic reserves, and throws it back at him.
surfer not only takes that shot, but doesn't notice the energy was missing in the first place. That seems pretty conclusive that his power reserves are equivalent to or greater than a star's output.
And again, those scans are pretty old. current surfer obtained a power boost post annihilation.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Again, there is a difference between a Multiverse/universe and one star. Kyle contained the big bang.What's so hard to understand???
what's hard to understand is that you're claiming that kyle contained a big bang, but is shown almost killing himself trying to contain solaris who is not only NOT a big bang, he's not even one star.
one of those is wrong, and I'm guessing it's the interpretation of imperiex's power level.
Originally posted by Space M ummyUh-huh.
it's in the respect thread somewhere, I'll post it if I can locate it. There's also the scan I posted where quasar absorbs the equivalent of "a small star" from surfer's power cosmic reserves, and throws it back at him.surfer not only takes that shot, but doesn't notice the energy was missing in the first place. That seems pretty conclusive that his power reserves are equivalent to or greater than a star's output.
And again, those scans are pretty old. current surfer obtained a power boost post annihilation.
Originally posted by Space M ummyI'm guessing someone hasn't read any of the material he's trying to discuss in the thread.
what's hard to understand is that you're claiming that kyle contained a big bang, but is shown almost killing himself trying to contain solaris who is not only NOT a big bang, he's not even one star.one of those is wrong, and I'm guessing it's the interpretation of imperiex's power level.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
what's hard to understand is that you're claiming that kyle contained a big bang, but is shown almost killing himself trying to contain solaris who is not only NOT a big bang, he's not even one star.one of those is wrong, and I'm guessing it's the interpretation of imperiex's power level.
facepalm Forget it, You can't be reasoned with