Yeah, you still haven't told me the quote that stated revan plundered everything on malachor let alone actually tell me what revan learned.
Hell you haven't even proven revan learned anything from malachor v.
Funny how you claim odan urr knows nothing about the dark side seeing he had sadow's holocron and that exar was so desperate to steal it from him.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Yeah, you still haven't told me the quote that stated revan plundered everything on malachor let alone actually tell me what revan learned.Hell you haven't even proven revan learned anything from malachor v.
This is EXACTLY the argument I had with him. You might as well be quoting me. He never answered me, or substantiated squat, but he went straight for insults and declaring victory.
DS, i'm not trying to insult you with the above paragraph, but it is FACT. Those are the things you did.
Originally posted by truejedi
This is EXACTLY the argument I had with him. You might as well be quoting me. He never answered me, or substantiated squat, but he went straight for insults and declaring victory.DS, i'm not trying to insult you with the above paragraph, but it is FACT. Those are the things you did.
And this is 100% irrelevant because we weren't talking about combat scenario, and my declaration of victory was factual.
Saying that you can't prove Revan learned anything from Malachor V is inane. We know he studied in the cities on the planet, we know that he learned about the True Sith and obviously he learned a lot about the Dark Side since the planet almost ate him. Clearly the knowledge in his holocron had to come from somewhere. No one is trying to specify exactly what he learned (because we can't), but obviously is was impressive.
I personally wouldn't say that Revan plundered everything on Malachor, because that would be ridiculous, considering that the world was a Dark Side nexus of knowledge and Revan had a limited time frame. However, Revan still ranks high in terms knowledge of the Force and Dark Side in general.
Aside from that I'd put Yoda, Sidious and Odan up at the top of the knowledge list. Personally I think it should be split into categories though. Sidious certainly knows more about the Dark Side than either Odan or Yoda combined, but I imagine they could trump him in Light Side knowledge.
Originally posted by Autokrat
Saying that you can't prove Revan learned anything from Malachor V is inane. We know he studied in the cities on the planet, we know that he learned about the True Sith and obviously he learned a lot about the Dark Side since the planet almost ate him. Clearly the knowledge in his holocron had to come from somewhere. No one is trying to specify exactly what he learned (because we can't), but obviously is was impressive.I personally wouldn't say that Revan plundered [b]everything
on Malachor, because that would be ridiculous, considering that the world was a Dark Side nexus of knowledge and Revan had a limited time frame. However, Revan still ranks high in terms knowledge of the Force and Dark Side in general.Aside from that I'd put Yoda, Sidious and Odan up at the top of the knowledge list. Personally I think it should be split into categories though. Sidious certainly knows more about the Dark Side than either Odan or Yoda combined, but I imagine they could trump him in Light Side knowledge. [/B]
I agree with everything here. The main difference between this and the posts from the um.. other person was, you didn't try to claim any of this could be proven. Common sense makes everything you say true, it just can't be proven.
so...
QFT
Originally posted by truejedi
I agree with everything here. The main difference between this and the posts from the um.. other person was, you didn't try to claim any of this could be proven. Common sense makes everything you say true, it just can't be proven.so...
QFT
Actually, what he said was that trying to prove specifics is inane, which was my argument, but that Revan amassed knowledge from Malachor V, which was also my contention, so you can't really agree with this without contradicting your original stance and finally conceding your argument.
Ok, before anyone else tries to argue on what I said, I will make myself completely clear. To do so I'm going to use a very simple analogy that should make everyone happy.
To start out, lets look at it this way.
FACT - Revan had a holocron full of Sith rituals and Dark Side philosophy. Let's call this fact, number four or "4".
FACT - Revan visited Malachor V and discovered the Dark Side Academy on the world.
FACT - Revan visited Korriban after rediscovering its location on Malachor V.
The latter two fact's we should call number one or "1".
Now, we have: (1 + X = 4).
RATIONAL ASSUMPTION - Revan learned Dark Side lore from Malachor V.
RATIONAL ASSUMPTION - Revan learned Dark Side lore from Korriban.
Let's call those two number three or "3".
Now, we have: (1 + 3 = 4).
It follows a rational process, which is all I am trying to say. I am not specifying exactly what Revan knew, nor am I trying to say that he knew more than any specific character in the mythos. This is my stance, it is clear and precise and I will say nothing more.
And if any of you bring a certain Scottish empiricist into this debate I'll yell at you.
Originally posted by Autokrat
Ok, before anyone else tries to argue on what I said, I will make myself completely clear. To do so I'm going to use a very simple analogy that should make everyone happy.To start out, lets look at it this way.
FACT - Revan had a holocron full of Sith rituals and Dark Side philosophy. Let's call this fact, number four or "4".
FACT - Revan visited Malachor V and discovered the Dark Side Academy on the world.
FACT - Revan visited Korriban after rediscovering its location on Malachor V.
The latter two fact's we should call number one or "1".
Now, we have: (1 + X = 4).
RATIONAL ASSUMPTION - Revan learned Dark Side lore from Malachor V.
RATIONAL ASSUMPTION - Revan learned Dark Side lore from Korriban.
Let's call those two number three or "3".
Now, we have: (1 + 3 = 4).
It follows a rational process, which is all I am trying to say. I am not specifying exactly what Revan knew, nor am I trying to say that he knew more than any specific character in the mythos. This is my stance, it is clear and precise and I will say nothing more.
And if any of you bring a certain Scottish empiricist into this debate I'll yell at you.
And I agreed with that? I realized what you were saying and agreed with it. So did Beefy disagree? I don't generally read him unless someone quotes him, he treats everyone like ****.
It follows a rational process, which is all I am trying to say. I am not specifying exactly what Revan knew, nor am I trying to say that he knew more than any specific character in the mythos. This is my stance, it is clear and precise and I will say nothing more.
I agree with that in its entirety, enough to quote it twice in the same comment. My only problem with DS argument was his trying to prove that he knew more or less than someone simply because there was more knowledge AVAILABLE to him. Especially, when you can't be exactly sure how much WAS available.
But your comment makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by AutokratI don't know about that because the DESB says something alone the lines of sidious mastering nearly aspect of the force and even inventing his own force attacks.Aside from that I'd put Yoda, Sidious and Odan up at the top of the knowledge list. Personally I think it should be split into categories though. Sidious certainly knows more about the Dark Side than either Odan or Yoda combined, but I imagine they could trump him in Light Side knowledge.
Now theres this new sith emperor that lived for 1400 years(far longer than sidious, yoda and odan) so theres a possibility that his knowledge may trump all of them.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Odan Urr was over 1,000 years old and while he may have been the most knowledgeable force user ever.
Er, what changed your mind from the time you wrote this to now? Certainly it couldn't have been the more than convincing virtual mountain of evidence I composed in his favor that supports that.