Originally posted by xJLxKing
I don't see Thor doing what Rulk did to SS. Nor what he did to the Watcher, or GM.
- Surfer from an unknown point in time, we do not know how strong he was. Norrin has gone through great ups and downs in his life. But seeing as Rulk simply killed SS by absorbing the power cosmic, how could Thor NOT do that? Can he not absorb energy?
- A Watcher has been decked by Lunatik as well, someone recently killed by Depowered Drax. It was a joke. Notice how Uatu took more damage from Rulk's punches than She Hulk or Thundra did.
- Finally, there is the Grand Master. Unless his durability is magically below Thor, Hulk, She-Hulk, Thundra, A-Bomb and a couple of others, we can safely rule that out as bullshit.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- Surfer from an unknown point in time, we do not know how strong he was. Norrin has gone through great ups and downs in his life. But seeing as Rulk simply killed SS by absorbing the power cosmic, how could Thor NOT do that? Can he not absorb energy?- A Watcher has been decked by Lunatik as well, someone recently killed by Depowered Drax. It was a joke. Notice how Uatu took more damage from Rulk's punches than She Hulk or Thundra did.
- Finally, there is the Grand Master. Unless his durability is magically below Thor, Hulk, She-Hulk, Thundra, A-Bomb and a couple of others, we can safely rule that out as bullshit.
Besides that, Rulk fought pretty nicely against Hulk. Used his own hammer and beat him with it. I am sure there are a few people that are going to come and show me scan of Thor with better feat, but the fight still counts. The fights with GM, Watcher, and SS and everybody else still counts.
If Thor fights they way he did against Rulk, then he'll lose. That won't change. Though, if he BFRs him or fight with differently, then maybe he'd win.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You might not like the writing as it really doesn't fit(i don't like it too), but it perfectly fine to use it. It's not like he suddenly defeated one skyfather level character and then keeps losing to everybody, but his has beaten quite a few characters.Besides that, Rulk fought pretty nicely against Hulk. Used his own hammer and beat him with it. I am sure there are a few people that are going to come and show me scan of Thor with better feat, but the fight still counts. The fights with GM, Watcher, and SS and everybody else still counts.
If Thor fights they way he did against Rulk, then he'll lose. That won't change. Though, if he BFRs him or fight with differently, then maybe he'd win.
I'm curious as to what me not liking it has to do with this. You're the one who's choosing to ignore the gaps in consistency here.
- The Watchers have been affected by lesser physical attacks in the past. This is not a showing of greatness. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- We do not know which Surfer this is, only that it's one from before the time he encountered Terrax. This is early in time. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- Rulk beat Surfer by absorbing his power cosmic/lifeforce. Thor can do this. You said that you did not see Thor doing it, but Thor did it against Loki and the Presence. BRB did it against Ego. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- The Grandmaster has displayed impressive durability in the past, but now he took less blows than all of the heroes/villains that Rulk has fought in the past. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rulk already beat Thor. Yeah, it was stupid, but still valid nonetheless
I give Prime the win over Tyrant
I don't know about Odin and Dormammu. Odin has his armor here so...Don't forget, Odin can potentially amp Prime easily. One sun can give Prime the boost to finish Tyrant very fast.
Where do you get Prime beating Tyrant... That is the first place you went wrong.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm curious as to what me not liking it has to do with this. You're the one who's choosing to ignore the gaps in consistency here.- The Watchers have been affected by lesser physical attacks in the past. This is not a showing of greatness. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- We do not know which Surfer this is, only that it's one from before the time he encountered Terrax. This is early in time. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- Rulk beat Surfer by absorbing his power cosmic/lifeforce. Thor can do this. You said that you did not see Thor doing it, but Thor did it against Loki and the Presence. BRB did it against Ego. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
- The Grandmaster has displayed impressive durability in the past, but now he took less blows than all of the heroes/villains that Rulk has fought in the past. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
Problem is Kris... Thor has never been able to do that to somebody with the power cosmic. He's squared off against SS and other PC users and never once even hinted he could do such a thing. Taking somebody life force.. is totally different then stripping them of PC imo. Thor has never displayed such a tactic nor as I said hinted he could manipulate the PC in such ways. The two examples you used.. again weren't PC users. Thor has a winning record against SS but it's not because of him draining his PC and to think he could when he's never shown the ability to manipulate the PC in such ways is reaching imo.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Where do you get Prime beating Tyrant... That is the first place you went wrong.
I'm curious as to what me not liking it has to do with this. You're the one who's choosing to ignore the gaps in consistency here. - The Watchers have been affected by lesser physical attacks in the past. This is not a showing of greatness. What does this have to do with my personal taste? - We do not know which Surfer this is, only that it's one from before the time he encountered Terrax. This is early in time. What does this have to do with my personal taste? - Rulk beat Surfer by absorbing his power cosmic/lifeforce. Thor can do this. You said that you did not see Thor doing it, but Thor did it against Loki and the Presence. BRB did it against Ego. What does this have to do with my personal taste? - The Grandmaster has displayed impressive durability in the past, but now he took less blows than all of the heroes/villains that Rulk has fought in the past. What does this have to do with my personal taste?
Lifeforce=/=PC
Like I said, if Thor is going to win, he will need a change in battle strategy
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It just sounds like you got a grudge that Rulk beat GM. GM=Galactus 馃槀Lifeforce=/=PC
Like I said, if Thor is going to win, he will need a change in battle strategy
Thor's absorbed the Power cosmic many times, you did not seem to understand the incident. Rulk killed Surfer when he did it, he absorbed ALL that was in him. Hence why I referenced incidents where Thor has absorbed energy from someone to the point where they have been close to death/dead, instead of the examples where he has absorbed the power cosmic 馃槓
You also did not try to counter any of my argument. Does this mean that you conceded or that you choose to write off the lack of consistency as a result of my personal taste?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Thor's absorbed the Power cosmic many times, you did not seem to understand the incident. Rulk killed Surfer when he did it, he absorbed ALL that was in him. Hence why I referenced incidents where Thor has absorbed energy from someone to the point where they have been close to death/dead, instead of the examples where he has absorbed the power cosmic 馃槓You also did not try to counter any of my argument. Does this mean that you conceded or that you choose to write off the lack of consistency as a result of my personal taste?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rulk already beat Thor. Yeah, it was stupid, but still valid nonetheless
I give Prime the win over Tyrant
I don't know about Odin and Dormammu. Odin has his armor here so...Don't forget, Odin can potentially amp Prime easily. One sun can give Prime the boost to finish Tyrant very fast.
The second fight Thor was winning and Rulk admitted Thor would have killed or defeated him if Hulk didn't step in IIRC.
Ummmm again I want to see when Thor has ever manipulated the PC in such a way to drain it from the user. He may absorb a PC blast but that is far far different then doing what Rulk did to surfer. Thor has won more times against SS and has never employed such a tactic. To assume he could drain the PC from anybody is reaching imo.
Ooo yeah and Team 2 wins.
I specifically recall Thor manipulating/using Cosmic Energy more than once in the Avenger's run. I'll post it when I re download the issue. I gotta get the scan again.
I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for Thor to drain Silver Surfer if it's doable. His control over his Power Cosmic is almost absolute and that fight with Rulk was pretty stupid so I don't count it, but if it is doable, Thor can do it. He has enough energy absorping feats to back it up.
Lulz at using Rulk as evidence. And here's how he does against a Thor that's ready and pissed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I specifically recall Thor manipulating/using Cosmic Energy more than once in the Avenger's run. I'll post it when I re download the issue. I gotta get the scan again.I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for Thor to drain Silver Surfer if it's doable. His control over his Power Cosmic is almost absolute and that fight with Rulk was pretty stupid so I don't count it, but if it is doable, Thor can do it. He has enough energy absorping feats to back it up.
Lulz at using Rulk as evidence. And here's how he does against a Thor that's ready and pissed.
I don't like that fight one bit or the whole rulk run.. However, Rage... Rulk was almost burnt out at that point after dispatching Thor amongst other at that point. Not to mention Thor cheapshotted him from behind and it was like 2 vs 1. I would hardly use that as some evidence of Thor being superior to Rulk. When they were both fresh Rulk won. Granted as I said I don't like the whole Rulk run.
Ummmm show me ONE instance of Thor draining the PC from a user. He's never done such a thing and to think he can is reaching. Absorbing a PC blast and firing it back is a far far cry from what Rulk did to SS. Thor's never done such a thing to a PC user and to say he could makes no sense imo.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't like that fight one bit or the whole rulk run.. However, Rage... Rulk was almost burnt out at that point after dispatching Thor amongst other at that point. Not to mention Thor cheapshotted him from behind and it was like 2 vs 1. I would hardly use that as some evidence of Thor being superior to Rulk. When they were both fresh Rulk won. Granted as I said I don't like the whole Rulk run.
Where does it say he was almost burnt out? Point it out to me please. Who are the others? He and Thor fought. He landed on the Earth, Hulk tried to put him down and failed miserably. He was about to be knocked out and was already dazed, and Thor comes back in with a hammer toss to the head which is albeit a cheap shot. After that it's not as if he didn't see him coming.
Where do you see it being two on one? He and Rulk were fighting one on one, and Thor had him down one on one.
Hell, as stupid as he is even Loeb tried to justify his actions by stating that, he had to write a Rulk who wouldn't let up for a moment (Using Thor's shock and so on against him.) because if he did, Thor would have gotten right back up and taken the upper hand. Which is why it was important to show Thor getting right back up after Rulk jumped away. But it's an interview so take it with a grain of salt.
Even with that amount of crappy plot induced stupidity in that book, Thor still kicked ass.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm show me ONE instance of Thor draining the PC from a user. He's never done such a thing and to think he can is reaching. Absorbing a PC blast and firing it back is a far far cry from what Rulk did to SS. Thor's never done such a thing to a PC user and to say he could makes no sense imo.
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Did you read my post? I said it if it's doable, then if anyone can drain the Power Cosmic, it would be Thor based on his energy absorption abilities. I even have scans of him manipulating and emitting Cosmic Energy and so on for his own uses (If you want I'll post them.).
The fact that Mjolnir can absorb and redirect the Power Cosmic shows that Mjolnir can manipulate such energy. It's simply a matter of draining the Power Cosmic user directly, which based on Mjolnir's feats should be very doable. I don't see the problem your having here?
I never said he has, I just said if anyone can it would Thor because he has shown that he can manipulate Cosmic Energy, and he has enough energy absorption feats to show that he can handle the amount of power contained in the body of a Power Cosmic user.
We'll finish this shit later. I'm going to the gym.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rulk already beat Thor. Yeah, it was stupid, but still valid nonetheless
I give Prime the win over Tyrant
I don't know about Odin and Dormammu. Odin has his armor here so...Don't forget, Odin can potentially amp Prime easily. One sun can give Prime the boost to finish Tyrant very fast.
Not to mention Prime is immune to magic. Prime + Odin kills Dormammu
