Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where does it say he was almost burnt out? Point it out to me please. Who are the others? He and Thor fought. He landed on the Earth, Hulk tried to put him down and failed miserably. He was about to be knocked out and was already dazed, and Thor comes back in with a hammer toss to the head which is albeit a cheap shot. After that it's not as if he didn't see him coming.Where do you see it being two on one? He and Rulk were fighting one on one, and Thor had him down one on one.
Hell, as stupid as he is even Loeb tried to justify his actions by stating that, he had to write a Rulk who wouldn't let up for a moment (Using Thor's shock and so on against him.) because if he did, Thor would have gotten right back up and taken the upper hand. Which is why it was important to show Thor getting right back up after Rulk jumped away. But it's an interview so take it with a grain of salt.
Even with that amount of crappy plot induced stupidity in that book, Thor still kicked ass.
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Did you read my post? I said it if it's doable, then if anyone can drain the Power Cosmic, it would be Thor based on his energy absorption abilities. I even have scans of him manipulating and emitting Cosmic Energy and so on for his own uses (If you want I'll post them.).
The fact that Mjolnir can absorb and redirect the Power Cosmic shows that Mjolnir can manipulate such energy. It's simply a matter of draining the Power Cosmic user directly, which based on Mjolnir's feats should be very doable. I don't see the problem your having here?
I never said he has, I just said if anyone can it would Thor because he has shown that he can manipulate Cosmic Energy, and he has enough energy absorption feats to show that he can handle the amount of power contained in the body of a Power Cosmic user.
We'll finish this shit later. I'm going to the gym.
Of course it didn't state he was almost burnt out before the fight however we did see later on that this does happen to Rulk. You seem to forget he was on a rampage already and fought others before he dispatched thor. Point is when they were both at full strength or at least Rulk wasn't as close to burning out Rulk won.. period. He then came back and was fighting Hulk for awhile before Thor came back and cheapshotted him from behind. Clearly, he wasn't in as good a condition as when he first met Thor and I'm not sure how you can say otherwise.
Next, while you may think if anybody can do it, it's do able for Thor... that isn't any kinda of proof that he could do any such thing. Thus it's not really any kinda of viable tactic for him to use when we've never seen him drain someone of the PC. So, while your assumption is that it's do able and maybe it is.. he has never been shown on panel to do so to a PC user and he's had numerous encounters with said people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course it didn't state he was almost burnt out before the fight however we did see later on that this does happen to Rulk. You seem to forget he was on a rampage already and fought others before he dispatched thor. Point is when they were both at full strength or at least Rulk wasn't as close to burning out Rulk won.. period. He then came back and was fighting Hulk for awhile before Thor came back and cheapshotted him from behind. Clearly, he wasn't in as good a condition as when he first met Thor and I'm not sure how you can say otherwise.
Dude, are we reading the same issues?
What others? What rampage?
List of events as I recall. He fought Hulk and kicked his ass. Knocked him out for god knows how long. The next issue, we see them, he was pointing a gun at him, and Thor comes in. They fight. Next issue, Rulk comes down to Earth. He and Hulk trade about two or three blows each and he has Hulk down in a few panels. Thor comes in and he puts him on his knees. Where are these others you keep talking about? Where is this rampage?
Besides the fight with Hulk after he landed, where Hulk hit him no more than twice as I recall, he fought Thor and Thor alone. How crappy do you think his stamina is?
What exactly is your point here? He wasn't completely at a %100 when he fought Thor the second time? How do you think Thor was, as he was the one who took the beating? Shit all he did besides fighting Thor, was get hit by Hulk once or twice. How much do you think he affected his stamina when his blows didn't even harm Rulk?
Rulk beat him the first time, and he used the shock of Thor to his advantage. Second time, Thor got a cheap shot in, but besides he was just pissed off and handed him his ass. Period. What else is their to discuss?
Shit even that idiot said if Rulk had let up for a second, Thor would have gotten up and taken the other hand, as the intial surprise would not be in play.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Next, while you may think if anybody can do it, it's do able for Thor... that isn't any kinda of proof that he could do any such thing. Thus it's not really any kinda of viable tactic for him to use when we've never seen him drain someone of the PC. So, while your assumption is that it's do able and maybe it is.. he has never been shown on panel to do so to a PC user and he's had numerous encounters with said people.
I never said he has. I said if it is possible, there is no logical reason based on his power set that Thor shouldn't be able to do it.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can absorb the Power Cosmic? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can manipulate Cosmic Energy? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can drain opponents of their energy forcifully? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can drain without a problem energy much greater than that a Power Cosmic wielder (Depends on user.)? Yes.
Based on that, "if" they can be drained, if anyone can do it, it should be Thor. The only thing that would stop him is C.I.S.
I never said anything else.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dude, are we reading the same issues?What others? What rampage?
List of events as I recall. He fought Hulk and kicked his ass. Knocked him out for god knows how long. The next issue, we see them, he was pointing a gun at him, and Thor comes in. They fight. Next issue, Rulk comes down to Earth. He and Hulk trade about two or three blows each and he has Hulk down in a few panels. Thor comes in and he puts him on his knees. Where are these others you keep talking about? Where is this rampage?
Besides the fight with Hulk after he landed, where Hulk hit him no more than twice as I recall, he fought Thor and Thor alone. How crappy do you think his stamina is?
What exactly is your point here? He wasn't completely at a %100 when he fought Thor the second time? How do you think Thor was, as he was the one who took the beating? Shit all he did besides fighting Thor, was get hit by Hulk once or twice. How much do you think he affected his stamina when his blows didn't even harm Rulk?
Rulk beat him the first time, and he used the shock of Thor to his advantage. Second time, Thor got a cheap shot in, but besides he was just pissed off and handed him his ass. Period. What else is their to discuss?
Shit even that idiot said if Rulk had let up for a second, Thor would have gotten up and taken the other hand, as the intial surprise would not be in play.
I never said he has. I said if it is possible, there is no logical reason based on his power set that Thor shouldn't be able to do it.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can absorb the Power Cosmic? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can manipulate Cosmic Energy? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can drain opponents of their energy forcifully? Yes.
Has he shown that Mjolnir can drain without a problem energy much greater than that a Power Cosmic wielder (Depends on user.)? Yes.
Based on that, "if" they can be drained, if anyone can do it, it should be Thor. The only thing that would stop him is C.I.S.
I never said anything else.
Ummmm you don't remember in previous issues.. Him fighting/killing Wendigo and Abomination? Destroying the icarrier etc. That is what I meant by a rampage. What is clear is that he then fought Thor and won when he was fresher that is also clear. We know Rulk does burn out correct? We saw it happen. So, after dispatching Thor.. he then has to fight Hulk again.. While you saw he landed this many punches, again he's using up energy and then Thor comes and cheap shots him. Point is, what we do know is that when Rulk was fresher he dispatched thor. Let me be clear though, I don't like Rulk nor do I like other stuff that followed that issue. All I said was that when Rulk was fresher he beat Thor and that is undisputable.
As far as your theory on why Thor could drain a PC user... It hasn't been shown on panel. He's never once drained someone of the PC as Rulk did surfer and to think he can is just an assumption and nothing more. It's not a viable tactic to be discussed and that was my only point.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummmm you don't remember in previous issues.. Him fighting/killing Wendigo and Abomination? Destroying the icarrier etc. That is what I meant by a rampage.
In the context you used it, you used the word "rampage" as if evidence that Thor was fighting a Rulk that was weakened or something along those lines which would be false. There was no rampage near the time he fought Thor.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What is clear is that he then fought Thor and won when he was fresher that is also clear. We know Rulk does burn out correct? We saw it happen. So, after dispatching Thor.. he then has to fight Hulk again.. While you saw he landed this many punches, again he's using up energy and then Thor comes and cheap shots him. Point is, what we do know is that when Rulk was fresher he dispatched thor. Let me be clear though, I don't like Rulk nor do I like other stuff that followed that issue. All I said was that when Rulk was fresher he beat Thor and that is undisputable.
That's the point your trying to make all this time? That he was fresher? It would be so inconsequential it would not matter.
After fighting Thor. Rulk gets back to Earth (Which would take time by the way.). Hulk then encountered him, hit him once or twice, and Rulk casually beat his ass in 3 blows. Thor then comes in again. How much fresher could he be?
If anything Thor was off a lot worse in their second fight than Rulk was. A lot worse. It was Thor who was shocked and took multiple blows and a beating.
That's just common sense.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
As far as your theory on why Thor could drain a PC user... It hasn't been shown on panel. He's never once drained someone of the PC as Rulk did surfer and to think he can is just an assumption and nothing more. It's not a viable tactic to be discussed and that was my only point.
Theory? I simply got into yours and Kris' discussion by stating that if anyone can drain someone of the Power Cosmic it would be Thor if it is doable. It fits in perfectly within his power set. If he can, the only think that would stop him is C.I.S. Rulk is just stupidity, so I won't use it as evidence that Silver Surfer can be drained but if it is possible Thor would clearly be able to do it. If it is possible, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to, if he can drain that amount of energy, and can manipulate/absorb the Power Cosmic.
Originally posted by PowerCosmic
Kurrupt Thanos and Rage o Olympus, are you guys basically saying that whoever wins between Thor and Rulk decides the whole battle? (Meaning if Thor wins, Team Odin wins and vice versa).
Not at all.
They're debating whether or not Thor could drain Surfer in the same manner as Rulk did.