Deathstroke vs Mr.X

Originally posted by Konton
lol?
Elektra also read Logan like a book.
I'm sure you've seen the scans where she was playing with him and re-stating his thoughts back to him.

Besides, Elektra isn't limited like Mr. X. She actually uses telepathy outside of scanning minds. She's transferred her mind into anothers and the minds of two other men with each other and sustained this exchange for months on end, gave a man cerebral hemorrhaging through psychic feedback, posesses people, etc.

Mr. X scans neural signals. Good luck if you think he's going to evade a telepathic mind-rape.

Wolverine Agent of Shield. Just before they butchered the Hand Elektra had to ask permission to enter Logan's mind or somemuch.Logan's psi blockers I think prevented her from doing so. Memory is rather hazy. Collection packed away somewhere. lol

Did Logan have those when he fought X?

In my (hehe) opinion X's abilities trump hers.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

1: He has low level telepathy that allows him to read his opponents mind.

2. He can map to neural motor-function precursors.

3. Some sort of low level empathy that gets him high when he kills people.

Those are three separate but similar abilities, not all one power.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Wolverine Agent of Shield. Just before they butchered the Hand Elektra had to ask permission to enter Logan's mind or somemuch.Logan's psi blockers I think prevented her from doing so. Memory is rather hazy. Collection packed away somewhere. lol

Did Logan have those when he fought X?

In my (hehe) opinion X's abilities trump hers.

This is what you're talking about?
She's still able to project her thoughts.
Not being able to read his mind is a little iffy to me because she easily did so here.

And how does Mr. X's tp trump Elektra's in any way other than in precise neural mapping? Something which wouldn't matter if Elektra were to fry his brains... which she can do. Check the bottom of the last scan.

It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
wtf?

Originally posted by Konton

This is what you're talking about?
She's still able to project her thoughts.
Not being able to read his mind is a little iffy to me because she easily did so here.

That's just it though. Project her thoughts. She stated she can't get any deeper. Hardly reading him like a book. Meh.

Where does it say she is reading Logan's mind or putting images into his head in the second series of scans?

To me it just looks as if she is pulling a typical comic book ninja vanishing trick. Damn impressive considering it is Logan she is doing it to.

Originally posted by Konton

And how does Mr. X's tp trump Elektra's in any way other than in precise neural mapping?.

In my opinion that's why.

Originally posted by Konton
Something which wouldn't matter if Elektra were to fry his brains... which she can do. Check the bottom of the last scan.

Emphasis on 'if'.

1.X is also telepathic.Would that even work against him?

2.Outside of that one appearance as far as I know she never 'fries brains'.Be it CIS or whatever else she simply doesn't seem to ever do it in fights.

Originally posted by Warrior18
That's just it though. Project her thoughts. She stated she can't get any deeper. Hardly reading him like a book. Meh.

Where does it say she is reading Logan's mind or putting images into his head in the second series of scans?

To me it just looks as if she is pulling a typical comic book ninja vanishing trick. Damn impressive considering it is Logan she is doing it to.

Yea, the first scenario showed her to be limited in accessing his mind.
In the second set of scans it clearly shows Wolverine questioning why he always loses to her. She then proceeds to speak his thoughts out loud. Re-read it.

Originally posted by Warrior18
In my opinion that's why.

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Originally posted by Warrior18
Emphasis on 'if'.

1.X is also telepathic.Would that even work against him?

2.Outside of that one appearance as far as I know she never 'fries brains'.Be it CIS or whatever else she simply doesn't seem to ever do it in fights.

1. He hasn't shown any skills outside of neuro mapping so it would be speculation to say that he had telepathic resistance or the mental strength to resist telepathy.

2. CIS my ass. Elektra: Assassin consistently showed her mental powers in action.

2.5 She doesn't mind fry in battle for the same reason Flash doesn't speed blitz at FTL speeds in every fight. It takes away from the character and doesn't show how bad ass they are. KMC rules state that the characters have complete access to their powerset and use it to their fullest potential.

Originally posted by Konton

This is what you're talking about?
She's still able to project her thoughts.
Not being able to read his mind is a little iffy to me because she easily did so here.

And how does Mr. X's tp trump Elektra's in any way other than in precise neural mapping? Something which wouldn't matter if Elektra were to fry his brains... which she can do. Check the bottom of the last scan.

FYI, Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (ie the second set of Elektra scans) aren't cannon. It's a video game tie in.

I know it's a tie in. But I'm pretty sure it is actually cannon.

Originally posted by Konton

In the second set of scans it clearly shows Wolverine questioning why he always loses to her. She then proceeds to speak his thoughts out loud. Re-read it.

Schoolboy error on my part.Fair enough.😄

Apparently those aren't canon anyway.ermm

Originally posted by Konton

Opinions are based upon your knowledge and applied logic. Please support your stances or do not make them at all.

Naturally. Most of what we post in a vs forum are opinions based on our knowledge and logic.

Did Logan have blockers whan he fought Mr X?

Originally posted by Konton

it would be speculation to say that he had telepathic resistance or the mental strength to resist telepathy.

Of course it is speculation. He clearly has telepathic or mental abilities so is it wrong to speculate he has some form of resistance?

Is it not speculation to assume Elektra could read his mind?

Originally posted by Konton

2. CIS my ass. Elektra: Assassin consistently showed her mental powers in action.

2.5 She doesn't mind fry in battle for the same reason Flash doesn't speed blitz at FTL speeds in every fight. It takes away from the character and doesn't show how bad ass they are. KMC rules state that the characters have complete access to their powerset and use it to their fullest potential.

Her brain hemorrhage feat. I wasn't on about her other mind reading abilities which she obviously uses regularly.

She fried brains in her 1980 Assassin series once. Why not against the plethora of people she has fought since?

She has an ability she practically never uses. She used it once.

Iron Fist one punched out a bomb carrying train and survived the subsequent-more powerful than Hiroshima-explosion. Are you going to tell me he will do that in a forum fight every time? 🙂

ps I was a being silly when I said he would murder her. I just don't think she will mind rape him etc. 😉

Lol some of the scans being posted might not even be cannon, so saying it iffy she can't read his mind is kinda funny seeing as one is a clearly cannon event the other is not.

Not to mention a number of other reasons.

Is Elektra Assassin now canon?

Elektra Assassin is canon. Nick just reinstated Garrett.

👆

To be clear I was referring to the wolverine/elektra fight from a video game adaptation.

DS wins this

X can predict all he wants it means nothing if he cant stop it.

DS physical superiority tactical mind and gear give him the win.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
In pure H2H, Mr. X wins no doubt.

With standard gear, and in accordance to KMC rules, if they start from a distance, Deathstroke can probably take him out with one of his grenades or shoot him with his guns.

Guns are useless, and grenades don't bring any sizable advantage unless there is cover, without cover (and assuming X is using said cover in the first place) grenades are easy enough to avoid if you can see them coming.

Originally posted by Konton
I know it's a tie in. But I'm pretty sure it is actually cannon.

It is a VIDEO-GAME tie in.

Originally posted by godking
DS wins this

X can predict all he wants it means nothing if he cant stop it.

DS physical superiority tactical mind and gear give him the win.

......but he can stop it.......

tactical mind means nothing when your opponent maps on to your impulses and reflexivly blocks dodges each attack like a spider senses on steriods. Then add in the fact he can literally read DS mind as well, means being more tactical could even be a disadvantage. Not to mention Mister X is more skilled of the two.

Deathstroke is just too good though. And hes cooler IMO...so I say Slade.