Originally posted by Tattoos N ScarsI can understand putting non-biological sexual acts together as a group.
😆I knew I'd get called out on that...so, I added those words accordingly.
I do not agree with homosexuality, and will not be convinced otherwise.
In my opinion, it's almost as disgusting as pedophilia. But, this is not
topic of this thread, so I'll say no more about it.
But when you say ****ing children is about as bad as screwing a consenting adult of the same sex, that is some major ****ed up shit there.
so you dont think a homosexual could be prejudiced against heterosexuals and intolerant of their views?
imo a gay basher isnt any worse than a gay who bashes a hetero stance. just like i feel "defensive racism" is just as bad as...ya know... regular racism.
im not accusing anyone here of being attributed to either party, but in general if someone says "i think homosexuality is disgusting" and someone replies "youre an ignorant idiot for thinking that", i consider the latter poster to be just as much in the wrong.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
imo a gay basher isnt any worse than a gay who bashes a hetero stance.
There's the difference right there: a "gay basher" is bashing the homosexual person and their sexual preference, where as a "gay who bashes a hetero stance" is, you know, bashing that person's stance.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Because you consider his opinion that homosexuality is disgusting to be "ignorant", when in fact, you are ignorant for accusing his personal point of view.
It is the view of Tattoos N Scars that homosexuality is "almost as disgusting as pedophilia."
It is my view that one who equates homosexuality with pedophilia is ignorant.
If his view should be tolerated simply because he is "expressing a personal opinion," then my view should be tolerated because I'm "expressing a personal opinion."
Originally posted by Robtard
Because it was written by man and men love them some girl-on-girl action.
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I hate to be blasphemous..and I feel ashamed...but....I'd like to point out that God is also male. 😉
Edit- And my opinion: Consent between two adults is far and away to being even close to pedophilia. From a religious perspective, I put homosexual acts on the same page as bates and premarital relations. They are the same sort of sin to me. It's not extremely serious of a sin, like murder is. It's just breaking the law of chastity...which everyone does all the time. 😐
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is the view of Tattoos N Scars that homosexuality is "almost as disgusting as pedophilia."It is my view that one who equates homosexuality with pedophilia is ignorant.
If his view should be tolerated simply because he is "expressing a personal opinion," then my view should be tolerated because I'm "expressing a personal opinion."
but he didnt equate homosexuality with pedophilia. at least not in the way youre thinking.
and regardless there's a difference between attacking a concept, which is what he did, and attacking a person, which is what you did.
There's the difference right there: a "gay basher" is bashing the homosexual person and their sexual preference, where as a "gay who bashes a hetero stance" is, you know, bashing that person's stance.
that was poor wording on my part.
by "gay basher" i was referring to someone who bashes a pro-gay stance.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is the view of Tattoos N Scars that homosexuality is "almost as disgusting as pedophilia."It is my view that one who equates homosexuality with pedophilia is ignorant.
If his view should be tolerated simply because he is "expressing a personal opinion," then my view should be tolerated because I'm "expressing a personal opinion."
You need to learn to read. He didn't equate homosexuality with pedophilia, he compared the disgust he gets from those two.
Let me give you an example that will hopefully bypass your biased view:
"In my opinion, spaghetti are almost as disgusting as lasagna".
This does not equate spaghetti with lasagna. It equates the level of disgust induced by the two.
To answer the last part of your post, he didn't accuse YOU of being wrong, or ignorant, he said homosexuality disgusts him. You instead called HIM wrong and ignorant.
The end.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is the view of Tattoos N Scars that homosexuality is "almost as disgusting as pedophilia."It is my view that one who equates homosexuality with pedophilia is ignorant.
If his view should be tolerated simply because he is "expressing a personal opinion," then my view should be tolerated because I'm "expressing a personal opinion."
So, my opinion of homosexuality is considered ignorant because it doesn't conform to your idea of what should be right or wrong in this society?
I'm not out there trying to lobby against gay rights and to discredit them on a public stage. I could care less. However, I have the right to my own opinion..and for someone(not just you) to label me as being ignorant, is the pot calling the kettle black, my friend.
If you think it is acceptable, then more power to you, but you do not have the right to commit several pages of thread as a soapbox to bash someone's opinion.
For the record, as far as this country has fallen into moral decay...homosexuality is STILL viewed unfavorably. Gay marriage is still NOT RECOGNIZED as a legal union in what...47 states. With that said, your acceptance of homosexuality is in a minority.
On a side note, what if the gay/lesbian movement led to people seeking legalization for incest to start their own national movement. Should incest be viewed favorably in this society? If a brother and sister want to get married, then who are we(an all accepting society) to stand in their way? Why should government, or society in general, discriminate against kinfolk getting married? Most say it would water down the gene pool. Who cares about the gene pool? Nothing should stand in the way of the happiness of two people in love, huh? On the other hand, I can say homosexuality is a primary way to perpetuate HIV in society, but who cares about that if two people are in love, right?
For the record, shouldn't we just abolish the statuatory rape laws? If a 15 or16 year old girl wants to have sex with an adult man, who are we to get in the way of that. She's consenting...so, is it discrimination that the law condemns an underage girl to have a sexual relationship with an adult male, or vice versa?
The point is, society is hypocritical in making and enforcing laws. I'm sure you would condemn Incest and pedophilia, but you openly embrace homosexuality as NATURAL. If you have that view, wouldn't you be labeled as hypocritical...or IGNORANT by the people who practice such unions?
People on ths forum can condemn me all they want, but I know when I go to sleep at night, I can rest easy in what I BELIEVE to be right and wrong in this society. If you still want to condemn me, then you all know what to kiss!!!
He is wrong and ignorant. It's a hateful and shameful analogy to compare homosexuality and pedophilia in any way, shape or form, and it ignores facts differentiating one from the other. There is no logic in the comparison, it is hyperbolic and reeks of prejudice and a lack of common sense and understanding - hence: Ignorant.
Two consenting adults doing anything with one another is no where near someone raping a child. It's foolish to even imply it. And it speaks volumes of him as a person for comparing consensual adult sex to such evils.
Also this idea that someone's opinion should be inherently respected simply because it's an opinion is total shit. If said opinion is filled with stupidity then there is nothing wrong with pointing it out.
When someone says "I think your lifestyle is just as bad as raping a child", without providing any logic to back up such an idea, it is a perfectly reasonable response to say "Well you're ignorant for thinking that." Because he would be.
Originally posted by BackFire
He is wrong and ignorant. It's a hateful and shameful analogy to compare homosexuality and pedophilia in any way, shape or form, and it ignores facts differentiating one from the other. There is no logic in the comparison, it is hyperbolic and reeks of prejudice and a lack of common sense and understanding - hence: Ignorant.Two consenting adults doing anything with one another is no where near someone raping a child. It's foolish to even imply it. And it speaks volumes of him as a person to comparing consensual adult sex to such evils.
Also this idea that someone's opinion should be inherently respected simply because it's an opinion is total shit. If said opinion is filled with stupidity then there is nothing wrong with pointing it out.
When someone says "I think your lifestyle is just as bad as raping a child", without providing any logic to back up such an idea, it is a perfectly reasonable response to say "Well you're ignorant for thinking that." Because he would be.
I could say the same for your opinion. You are not even grasping what I mean. For example, let's say that I like sushi, and you do not. You equate eating sushi as the same as eating an actual turd, meaning both items disgust you. There is no logical way to compare the two. Sushi is an actual delicacy, and shit(turd) is not. However, the point is...both items disgust you.
I find homosexuality repulsive...just as I find pedophilia respulsive. In no way did I compare the nature of those acts as being the same....I just said that both were disgusting in my view. Why are you not comprehending that? Nevermind, I know. You're letting DISCRIMINATION cloud your view because you do not agree with my assessment of homosexuality. Bashing and condemning someone's view, which is contrary to your own is discrimination. With that said, isn't is logical to assume that you calling me ignorant and a bigot is HYPOCRITICAL? What are the definitions of bigotry and discrimination? Who are you to say that what I believe is wrong, and what you believe is right? That's discrimination, pal.
Am I upset, no
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I don't care what you believe. I have a discriminatory view of homosexuality, and you have a discriminatory view of people like me...so, isn't this debate meaningless???
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I could say the same for your opinion. You are not even grasping what I mean. For example, let's say that I like sushi, and you do not. You equate eating sushi as the same as eating an actual turd, meaning both items disgust you. There is no logical way to compare the two. Sushi is an actual delicacy, and shit(turd) is not. However, the point is...both items disgust you.I find homosexuality repulsive...just as I find pedophilia respulsive. In no way did I compare the nature of those acts as being the same....I just said that both were disgusting in my view. Why are you not comprehending that? Nevermind, I know. You're letting DISCRIMINATION cloud your view because you do not agree with my assessment of homosexuality. Bashing and condemning someone's view, which is contrary to your own is discrimination. With that said, isn't is logical to assume that you calling me ignorant and a bigot is HYPOCRITICAL? What are the definitions of bigotry and discrimination? Who are you to say that what I believe is wrong, and what you believe is right? That's discrimination, pal.
Am I upset, no
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I don't care what you believe. I have a discriminatory view of homosexuality, and you have a discriminatory view of people like me...so, isn't this debate meaningless???
You compared homosexuality to pedophilia and said that they are both almost equally as disgusting, thus putting them on a similar moral ground. This is the problem. Using any reasonable standard pedophilia is clearly infinitely worse.
And once more, the idea that attacking someone for being prejudice against a group of people is somehow the same as attacking said person for being prejudice is just silly. No one with any semblance of a brain will take such a comparison seriously. There is no valid analogy to be had between the two. Thinking poorly of someone for saying something hateful and thinking poorly of someone because they belong to a certain group is not the same at all. It's not discrimination, it is disliking prejudice and intolerance and rejecting stupid ideas.
Originally posted by BackFire
You compared homosexuality to pedophilia and said that they are both almost equally as disgusting, thus putting them on a similar moral ground. This is the problem. Using any reasonable standard pedophilia is clearly infinitely worse.And once more, the idea that attacking someone for being prejudice against a group of people is somehow the same as attacking said person for being prejudice is just silly. No one with any semblance of a brain will take such a comparison seriously. There is no valid analogy to be had between the two. Thinking poorly of someone for saying something hateful and thinking poorly of someone because they belong to a certain group is not the same at all. It's not discrimination, it is disliking prejudice and intolerance and rejecting stupid ideas.
Negative, an attack on anyone's belief system is DISCRIMINATION..just by the very definition of the word. Because you view me as a bigot, does not mean other people do. Many people believe as I do...and many people believe as you do. What makes your opinion any more valid than mine? You consider me closeminded for not embracing homosexuality...and I consider you closeminded for not realizing the TABOO(un-naturalness) of it.
If I'm a Christian, would you consider it DISCRIMINATION if I view other religions negatively...believing that my personal FAITH is the best?? Of course not, if I didn't believe my FAITH was true, I wouldn't be part of the religion...same with any other religion. I wouldn't accept it, because I wouldn't agree with the basic ideology.
If I'm an advocate of DEMOCRACY, should I openly embrace COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM, AND FASCISM too...as acceptable alternate forms of government? Of course not, I would't agree with its basic ideology.
If I'm an advocate of traditional marriage and family values in this country..should I also advocate gay marriage? Why would I...it's not a traditional union in society...so, accepting it would be contrary to what I believe to be the acceptable form of marriage in society.
The point is...all BELIEFS are SUBJECTIVE. I have the right to speak out against homosexuality, if I consider it to be wrong. You have the right to be its advocate, if you cosider it to be acceptable. Who are you to put people people down if they do not agree with it? I find it personally disgusting...and in my view...it is near the same level as pedophilia, in MY book of what is disgusting. Who are you to say what my views should be? Are you BIG BROTHER...trying to brainwash me into accepting something that has been TABOO for thousands of yea
People on these forums put down evangelical Christians because they speak out against such things in society. They say Christians publicly bash homosexuality and other forms of evil in society...and humanists/atheists bash them in return. It's an endless cycle.
In sum,
Just drop it. I'm not continuing this debate any further.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Negative, an attack on anyone's belief system is DISCRIMINATION..just by the very definition of the word. Because you view me as a bigot, does not mean other people do.
Ok, not only are you using the word wrong, but that's just ridiculous.
A bigot is something that only other bigots don't see as bigotry, and considering you attacked someone's lifestyle, put every single gay person in one point of that that they all need to 'get lives', and said that they are as bad as life ruining criminals, you are a hypocrite.
The rest of that post doesn't need an answer. If you are sane, you will see what's wrong with it.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
but he didnt equate homosexuality with pedophilia. at least not in the way youre thinking.and regardless there's a difference between attacking a concept, which is what he did, and attacking a person, which is what you did.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
He didn't equate homosexuality with pedophilia, he compared the disgust he gets from those two.Let me give you an example that will hopefully bypass your biased view:
"In my opinion, spaghetti are almost as disgusting as lasagna".
This does not equate spaghetti with lasagna. It equates the level of disgust induced by the two.
To answer the last part of your post, he didn't accuse YOU of being wrong, or ignorant, he said homosexuality disgusts him. You instead called HIM wrong and ignorant.
The end.
If he holds that homosexuality is “almost as disgusting as pedophilia,” then by extension, he holds the homosexuals are “almost as disgusting as pedophiles.”
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
You need to learn to read.
To the contrary, you are the one whose language skills are in question:
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
"In my opinion, spaghetti are almost as disgusting as lasagna".
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
So, my opinion of homosexuality is considered ignorant because it doesn't conform to your idea of what should be right or wrong in this society?
No, it is ignorant on its own merits.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I'm not out there trying to lobby against gay rights and to discredit them on a public stage. I could care less. However, I have the right to my own opinion..and for someone(not just you) to label me as being ignorant, is the pot calling the kettle black, my friend.
If the shoe fits . . .
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If you think it is acceptable, then more power to you, but you do not have the right to commit several pages of thread as a soapbox to bash someone's opinion.
Freedom of Speech is not Freedom from Consequences. You have the right to hold an ignorant view, and I have the right to hold that view as ignorant.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
For the record, as far as this country has fallen into moral decay...homosexuality is STILL viewed unfavorably. Gay marriage is still NOT RECOGNIZED as a legal union in what...47 states. With that said, your acceptance of homosexuality is in a minority.
[list=1][*]Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and Washington D.C., and same-sex unions are legally recognized in an additional 13 states.
[*]According to the most recent poll, 67% of Americans support the legal recognition of same-sex unions.
[*]The view of the majority is irrelevant. Prior to 1967, 52% of Americans supported anti-miscegenation, but that did not make it right.[/list]
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
On a side note, what if the gay/lesbian movement led to people seeking legalization for incest to start their own national movement.
What if it did? The movement in question will either succeed or fail on its own merits. A transparent attempt at Slippery Slope argument.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Should incest be viewed favorably in this society? If a brother and sister want to get married, then who are we(an all accepting society) to stand in their way? Why should government, or society in general, discriminate against kinfolk getting married? Most say it would water down the gene pool. Who cares about the gene pool? Nothing should stand in the way of the happiness of two people in love, huh?
There is no federal statute prohibiting consanguinity, so this is a moot argument.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
On the other hand, I can say homosexuality is a primary way to perpetuate HIV in society, but who cares about that if two people are in love, right?
No, the primary causes of HIV transmission are high-risk behaviors. Case in point, Africa has the highest rate of HIV transmission in the world, and it is spread primarily through heterosexual contact.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
For the record, shouldn't we just abolish the statuatory rape laws? If a 15 or16 year old girl wants to have sex with an adult man, who are we to get in the way of that. She's consenting...so, is it discrimination that the law condemns an underage girl to have a sexual relationship with an adult male, or vice versa?
A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult for the same reason that a minor cannot enter into a legally-binding contract with an adult.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
The point is, society is hypocritical in making and enforcing laws.
Disparity in the law is something to be corrected, not supported.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I'm sure you would condemn Incest and pedophilia, but you openly embrace homosexuality as NATURAL. If you have that view, wouldn't you be labeled as hypocritical...or IGNORANT by the people who practice such unions?
Consanguinity is not illegal, pedophilia is illegal, and homosexuality is natural. A valid comparison cannot be drawn among relevantly dissimilar things.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
People on ths forum can condemn me all they want, but I know when I go to sleep at night, I can rest easy in what I BELIEVE to be right and wrong in this society. If you still want to condemn me, then you all know what to kiss!!!
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
If I'm an advocate of DEMOCRACY, should I openly embrace COMMUNISM, SOCIALISM, AND FASCISM too...as acceptable alternate forms of government? Of course not, I would't agree with its basic ideology.
Yay hypocrisy!
Negative, an attack on anyone's belief system is DISCRIMINATION
You have now set up an ideology in which you consider any active or vocal disagreement with any ideology discrimination. You go on to say: ideology
all BELIEFS are SUBJECTIVE.
If you want to use pluralism or subjectivism or relativism etc. to defend your own freedom then you give up your freedom to hate. Because- hey, the opposition is just as 'valid' as your own. So bellyaching about them discriminating against you (which is laughable in this context) suspends your right to "discriminate."
Thus your post fails, and with it any hope of rationalizing your dissemination of hatred.