ROTS Obi Wan vs AOTC Obi Wan and Anakin

He wasn't being cocky, he was pissed and didn't think. Ob1 wouldn't have evoked those emotions in Anakin, so he would have no reason to do that. Plus, Dooku got him with lightning, not something that OB1 can do. And OB1's not on Dooku's saber level to just ill Anakin. What did Kriea say about Soresu, its a defensive form that only delays the inevitable? Exactly.

Who has Ob1 killed in saber combat? I don't mean droids and such, but people that could fight back. None come to mind.

Also, at what point was it when Anakin killed Durge? Sure as hell wasn't ROTS. And what he do? Force pushed him into a sun? If he gets mad, but still maintains control, he can fire off force attacks that will have an effect.

"Obi-Wan takes up a dedication to Form III after the death of Qui-Gon Jinnn (who favored form IV), since it was apparent that Jinn's defense was insufficient against the Sith techniques of Darth Maul." (Star Wars Insider 62, FightSaber, pg. 31)

^ I believe that's what you were looking for, True Jedi.

Originally posted by Advent
since it was apparent that Jinn's defense was insufficient against the Sith techniques of Darth Maul.[/i]" (Star Wars Insider 62, FightSaber, pg. 31)

wow really? hes blaming the form? qui-gon lost because he was an inferior duelist period not because of his form. 😂

yoda would whoop darth mauls ass. ataru or not.

Yea, because Maul was far too aggressive to combat with another offensive form. Soresu is the definitive defensive style. it's served him fairly well.. save for fighting Dooku.

And it's safe to say that Yoda is a good margin above both QGJ and Maul. He's the exception, not the rule.

Originally posted by Advent
"Obi-Wan takes up a dedication to Form III after the death of Qui-Gon Jinnn (who favored form IV), since it was apparent that Jinn's defense was insufficient against the Sith techniques of Darth Maul." (Star Wars Insider 62, FightSaber, pg. 31)

^ I believe that's what you were looking for, True Jedi.

thx for the quote. 😄

So what form did Obi-Wan use in the AOTC fight with Dooku, since Dooku was surprised to see form 3 from him in ROTS?

Originally posted by truejedi
So what form did Obi-Wan use in the AOTC fight with Dooku, since Dooku was surprised to see form 3 from him in ROTS?

Dooku was played like a violin; that's why he was surprised. Obi-Wan and Anakin tricked him into believing they hadn't grown any stronger since Geonosis; they tricked him into thinking that they didn't stand a chance against his abilities. Well, he was wrong. At least on some level, Dooku realized this. He realized that they were lulling him into a false sense of security and got scared. That's quite a rational response for someone who thrives on controlling the battle and dominating his opponents.

Obviously, he was surprised because they were stronger than he thought, he took it for granted that Kenobi would be using Ataru the entire time since...he was using it. Like I said, he got duped and let his guard down. I fail to see how that means Obi-Wan:

a) didn't start learning Soresu until AOTC (which has been proven incorrect by canon), which was the original point, and

b) didn't use Soresu in AOTC. He attacks, and? We've seen Luminara Unduli press the offensive against Asajj Ventress a few times, as Kenobi does against Grievous; it's obvious against some opponents -- those like Dooku who are perfectionists -- you have to create your own openings. We know that Kenobi implements Ataru into his swordplay anyways, so why you're even bringing the AOTC duel up is beyond me.

For clarification,

Originally posted by truejedi
AOTC Kenobi had not even BEGAN to use Soresu.

^ The original point.

I can accept that. I guess I can't exactly prove when Kenobi STARTED using Soresu. I suppose my point would have to be amended to the statement that he didn't use Soresu in the AOTC.

The reason I bring up the AOTC is, The description there for Kenobi sounds nothing like the description of his fight with Grievous. If they are both descriptions of Kenobi using Soresu, they are definitly night and day.

The ROTS point you make, that Dooku was surprised simply because Kenobi started using Ataru and Shien-Cho is a sound one. I interpret it differently, but I definitly don't have evidence to prove you wrong.

Wow and what do you know... I said that they surprised him by using ploy forms like 4 days ago, but somehow that wasn't right until Advent said it? Hmm... as young OB1 would say, curious....

oh, lest there be any confusion there, i meant, that there is no way for me to prove when Kenobi started LEARNING (i used the word, using, which was confusing i think) Soresu. I still contend he did not use Soresu against Dooku in AOTC.

Also, me agreeing the point is sound, but i interpret the ROTS, differently, was meant to be directed at both of u, since I had you both in mind when I wrote it.

Happy now big guy?

lol, plus advent is hotter than you man, what can you expect? " Boys laugh at girls even when they're not funny."

Touche.

And the duo still wins. 🙂

Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
Episode 3 Obi-Wan wins here. He owned DS Anakin who was MUCH stronger then Count Dooku, who defeated the duo here. And he killed Grievous, who would have also beaten Episode 2 Obi-Wan and Anakin.

he owned him.

No he didn't. He got lucky that Anakin made a stupid move.

lol, no need to go round again on that one subjekt. we must agree to disagree here. ( :

No, that's coming from GL himself. "OB1 had an interesting string of success with luck at his side, which makes his line in ANH [In my experience, there's no such thing as luck] ironic and somewhat comical."

I remember that from a tv spot right after Sith came out.

but did he say what feats were luck? I'm thinking it was a reference to his surviving the purge at the hand of the clones? Can your quote prove otherwise?

Yea, it was in reference to the fight. That's what brought it up. I'm trying to find the clip cause I'm not going to write out the 6 minute interview. He also makes mention of the "so clumsy" remark to the blaster.

"so uncivilized" you mean?

Pardon me, yes. I was thinking of his line in ANH when I was typing that, lol.