Originally posted by inimalist
Beyonce is as, if not more, of a record company produced star than this white girl.Promoting Beyonce is not being critical of mainstream music, lol, her garbage is worse than most.
She is an EXCELLENT singer, though, and she HOT HOT HOT. Not a hard choice to overproduce her as an artist, from a record label perspective.
"He may have apologized for his actions, but he still hasn't apologized for the maze on his head."- the Announcer from Chelsea Lately
The other women who were up for the award like Pink and Katy Perry told reporters after the incident that if was them they wouldn't have just stood there and let Kanye do that. They would've taken the mic back and let him have it, not be all quiet and meek like Taylor Swift was.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
"He may have apologized for his actions, but he still hasn't apologized for the maze on his head."- the Announcer from Chelsea LatelyThe other women who were up for the award like Pink and Katy Perry told reporters after the incident that if was them they wouldn't have just stood there and let Kanye do that. They would've taken the mic back and let him have it, not be all quiet and meek like Taylor Swift was.
Would've been great if she head-butted him.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaDifference there being Pink and Katy Perry are grown women, 30 and 24 respectively, while Taylor Swift is what, 19? Can't fault her for being a little timid.
"He may have apologized for his actions, but he still hasn't apologized for the maze on his head."- the Announcer from Chelsea LatelyThe other women who were up for the award like Pink and Katy Perry told reporters after the incident that if was them they wouldn't have just stood there and let Kanye do that. They would've taken the mic back and let him have it, not be all quiet and meek like Taylor Swift was.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Difference there being Pink and Katy Perry are grown women, 30 and 24 respectively, while Taylor Swift is what, 19? Can't fault her for being a little timid.
True, still would have been great if she head-butted him anyways, she also looks a few inches taller than him, perfect set-up.
"I'm gonna let you finish, but..." *crack to the head*
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
and what song is this?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDBJXZjmLro
I tried to embed it, but couldn't figure out how.
Originally posted by Robtard
True, still would have been great if she head-butted him anyways, she also looks a few inches taller than him, perfect set-up."I'm gonna let you finish, but..." *crack to the head*
Well at that point, Pink wouldn't have known what he was about untl he got further. As soon as he said "beyonce had one of the best videos of all time" THEN CRACK. (There's a joke about crack and Kanye in there somewhere.)
obama calls kanye a jackass on cnn {no joke}
i was actually watching the awards when it happened. poor taylor, overflowing with gratitude and the egotist had to ruin the moment. ofcourse, hes done it before too so...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, but he's worked with and praised white musicians.That's a Hell of a lot of tolerance for a racist. I don't buy the idea of "tolerant racists".
I have known a guy, and his family, who make xenophobic and racist comments, but you can tell they aren't actually racist. It's mindless nationalism, it's not that they are intolerant of other races. They have friends in other races.
You can't have both.
Racism is a term defined by INTOLERANCE. If you can tolerate the race you hate to the point of collaborating with them, then I can't take your racism seriously.
-AC
I think there was this guy who was trying to support black footballers. One day he said something like how can you pay that much for a black player and got fired. Some racists will work with other races and even prasie them then one day there true colours will show....some people try to fight it but they can't just keep it down.
If you don't like Kanye..that's fine because alot of people don't at this point,but I think to say what he did was because he was racist is complete ridiculous.Kanye pretty much said what I was thinking.Her video is terrible in comparison to Beyonce's.Kanye is obviously a poor sport.He doesn't want to loose or see anyone he cares about lose.He flipped out at the VMA's two years ago because they put Britney Spears on and not him.He's just a crybaby.The fact that Britney and Taylor happen to be white has nothing to do with it.They are just generally terrible at what they do and Kanye's too much of a toddler to keep what he feels to himself.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think there was this guy who was trying to support black footballers. One day he said something like how can you pay that much for a black player and got fired. Some racists will work with other races and even prasie them then one day there true colours will show....some people try to fight it but they can't just keep it down.
I don't follow what you are trying to say.
Originally posted by jaden101
Neither him nor Taylor Swift have an ounce of talent between them so personally I couldn't give a shit about the incident.She'd get twa pumps 'n' a squirt though.
Just to set a record straight and to address this post adequatly, im pretty sure that a a.a.ihg32h9gj0fk0kfkkkkkkfmmnnn273fbf111...
...**** SAKE KANYE LET GO OF THE KEYBOARD!
Originally posted by dadudemon
I thoroughly disagree, then. I think those programs take the talent out of music other than knowing how to use the software and having a less than average ear. 😬Edit- I read that part about sheet music. On that, I thoroughly disagree with, as well. I can't read music, much less write the music. To me, that would be VERY difficult to bust out a tune on the organ and write it down.
OMFG
DYLAN JUST PLUGGED IN HIS AMP!!! ITS NOT MUSIC ANY MORE!
fight the future man!
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's very strange. Hip hop music IS the easiest music to make, because it's so simple.
by that argument you would feel it would be easy to reproduce the work of Philip Glass?
Originally posted by dadudemon
The software these days can auto-correct your beats and sounds FOR you...just click a couple of options and it auto-corrects it to be perfectly timed. Takes the talent out of music, that.
If by musical talent you mean, strictly, the ability to sequence actively produced music by ear, sure.
If by musical talent you mean the ability to produce enjoyable music....
Originally posted by inimalist
OMFGDYLAN JUST PLUGGED IN HIS AMP!!! ITS NOT MUSIC ANY MORE!
fight the future man!
Good job.
Originally posted by inimalist
by that argument you would feel it would be easy to reproduce the work of Philip Glass?
You do know that he hasn't really been a "minimalist" in a while, don't you?
And, no, not at all. That's comparing apples to two scoops of raisins.
Originally posted by inimalist
If by musical talent you mean, strictly, the ability to sequence actively produced music by ear, sure.If by musical talent you mean the ability to produce enjoyable music....
Musical Talent: Innate or Learned?
Volume 3 / Issue 1 / Fall 2002
Are children born with an appreciation for music and the ability to demonstrate it? Or do they develop musical ability through early exposure and structured practice? The answer is both, according to Dianna Richardson, graduate of the Juilliard School and the Cleveland Institute of Music. Richardson, who is an artist-in-residence at the Cleveland School of the Arts and a youth instructor at Baldwin-Wallace College, claims that many of her inner-city high school students possess “raw talent.” They have a keen ear for music, can play demonstrated or familiar pieces beautifully, have an extraordinary sense of rhythm, and are well synchronized with their peers when playing their instruments. Most of them, however, lack formal music instruction and cannot read sheet music. In contrast, Richardson’s college students, who have benefited from early structured lessons in reading and understanding music, can play most sheet music with impressive precision but are not as adept at playing together as a group.The Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development reports that children who are musically gifted show early developmental signs of musical precocity, which may include noticing off-key music, remembering melodies, singing in tune, fondness for playing instruments in preschool, rhythmic ways of moving and speaking, humming to themselves, tapping rhythmically while working, and sensitivity to environmental sounds (waterfalls, rain on the roof, etc.). Researchers recognize such indicators of precocious musical talent as an innate ability to identify pitch (i.e., to imitate pitch with precision), precise rhythmic ability, intense interest in a variety of music, and an ability to learn and express music through rote methods (recognition and imitation). Richardson says that such students in the inner city, where resources may not be readily available, are often identified in religious organizations, where they participate regularly in choirs and are encouraged to express themselves musically.
Although early intervention and instruction are not necessary for developing musical talent, they appear to be significant factors in determining a child’s full realization of a musical gift. Research on child prodigies indicates that exceptional musical abilities are often acquired through optimal environmental conditions. Important contributing factors include self-motivation; extensive support from family members, mentors, and teachers; appropriate resources (instruments, lessons, and exposure to musical activities); and rigorous practice. Parents can facilitate musical development in their children by recognizing how and when to encourage and reinforce skills and concepts that are already developing naturally.
Learning music is much like learning language, because there is a natural progression in development. For example, exposing children from birth to a variety of music in a broad range of tones and pitches will help them acquire the ability to distinguish differences in music, much as infants acquire the ability to distinguish their parents’ native language (dialect) from a foreign language. Then, during ages three to five, when children are developing better smooth-muscle coordination and a sense of rhythm, they should be encouraged to sing along to music and engage in rhythmic activities, such as clapping, swinging, dancing, tapping, marching, and using nonmelodic instruments (rhythm sticks, cymbals, etc.). As the ability to recognize and imitate rhythm develops, during ages four to five, children should be encouraged to accompany singing with melodic instruments (xylophone, autoharp, resonator bells, etc.). Although certain stages in child development are considered sensitive for developing specific musical and spatial abilities, no one blueprint will help your child become a master musician.
Shinichi Suzuki’s method of developing musical ability in young children calls for early education and consistent parental involvement. Outlined in Suzuki’s book Nurtured by Love: The Classic Approach to Talent Education, trans. Waltraud Suzuki, 2d ed. (Warner Brothers, 1983), the theory behind the method prescribes a warm environment that encourages children to become happy, loving, and talented individuals.
—Julie A. Wojcik, M.Ed., NCSP
http://www.dukegiftedletter.com/articles/vol3no1_article.html
The talent comes from the ladies and gentleman who made the premixed beats and melodies, if you were wondering.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You do know that he hasn't really been a "minimalist" in a while, don't you?And, no, not at all. That's comparing apples to two scoops of raisins.
ok, you are right
music that you deem simple is easy to produce and that takes away from the quality of it, and in fact, whether or not it should be considered music or whether it takes talent to produce it
music that you don't deem simple, regardless of similarities in rhythm, style, layering etc to music you think is easy, is in no way the same, and regardless of how difficult it is to produce, is real music
Originally posted by dadudemon
http://www.dukegiftedletter.com/articles/vol3no1_article.html
are you arguing that there is a scientific definition of what constitutes musical talent?
Originally posted by dadudemon
The talent comes from the ladies and gentleman who made the premixed beats and melodies, if you were wondering.
and all DJs do is play other people's tracks
😉
how long did you say you had used FLS for?
Originally posted by inimalist
ok, you are rightmusic that you deem simple is easy to produce and that takes away from the quality of it, and in fact, whether or not it should be considered music or whether it takes talent to produce it
music that you don't deem simple, regardless of similarities in rhythm, style, layering etc to music you think is easy, is in no way the same, and regardless of how difficult it is to produce, is real music
Nope. That's not what I said or implied.
Here's a refresher:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not to say that Hip Hop ISN'T music...
It's still music, alright. It's got a rhythmic beat and melodies, alright. It's just retardedly easy to make and it's very simple music.
Music is music.
My point was to demystify and bring to reality how simple this music is that the majority of people bump in their cars.
Originally posted by inimalist
are you arguing that there is a scientific definition of what constitutes musical talent?
No. I am also not arguing that there's a non-scientific definition for it, either.
Originally posted by inimalist
and all DJs do is play other people's tracks😉
how long did you say you had used FLS for?
And some DJs suck, horribly. Some of their mixes are out of rhythm, ends up being too linear, or they mess up their track overlays. (Edit) In fact, very few DJs are actually good enough to go anywhere with their music. I attend underground techno parties and meet quite a few up and comin DJs. Some will never go anywhere. Some I've seen improve greatly in just a year.
I didn't. In fact, I said I didn't have it, earlier.
Let's get back to what I was talking about.
Most hip hop is really simple music. It's easy to make. Making it takes very little musical talent, but you have to marginally know how to use the software to produce a hafl way decent sound.
If you want to argue that, great.
And, yes, there is probably a scientific or at least a quantifiable degree of musical talent. However, it would be relative...as many things are. If you read the article, it gives several examples of innate ability. I would say that Julie A. Wojcik is more qualified than I am to make those assessments. If you've been making techno for 7 years, I'm sure you are quite talented and have an "ear" for making techno. A one day class, however, would give you all the tools you needed to make Hip Hop. 😐