Wolverine vs Batman

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Oh yeah Wolverine also got his dead kicked in by a mercenary called the Athiest who used some wooden stick called a shieleagh...or something. So that just not Mr X thats two to the list.

Obvoulsy the excuse Wolverine goit shot up before is going to be used. Oh and in that series Punisher put Wolverine in the floor with a kick.

Can Wolverine be knocked down with human level attacks? Yes. Can he be knocked out? No, not without PIS/circumstances. The only time the Atheist knocked out Wolverine was when he shot an arrow through his head, and that didn't last for very long. Did he beat on him? Sure. Did he ever knock him unconscious with his shillelagh? No.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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And Batman has been cracked up side the head with a baseball bat from Twoface. ZOMG 😱

Since apparently it is common face on this forum to use low end examples of PIS and ignore the context of those feats in order to support your argument in cases concerning Wolverine, I wonder if perhaps I should give it a try and do the same with Batman? Let me know if thats what you'd like, because there is a lot to draw from.

we've all repeated the same thing and it continues to be ignored and its gotten worse with the new members here......... their doing it just to be aggravating....going against the forum rules.....

aside from that we can also add impossible for some low showings to even work on logan....do to his physiology and adamantium bonding....

example : arrow through the ear canal pr skull..... having a blade go through his hand although his metacarpals are bonded with adamantium ect ect

Originally posted by Ize19
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Oh yeah Wolverine also got his dead kicked in by a mercenary called the Athiest who used some wooden stick called a shieleagh...or something. So that just not Mr X thats two to the list.

Obvoulsy the excuse Wolverine goit shot up before is going to be used. Oh and in that series Punisher put Wolverine in the floor with a kick.

Can Wolverine be knocked down with human level attacks? Yes. Can he be knocked out? No, not without PIS/circumstances. The only time the Atheist knocked out Wolverine was when he shot an arrow through his head, and that didn't last for very long. Did he beat on him? Sure. Did he ever knock him unconscious with his shillelagh? No. [/B]

He was sure capable of doing it thats why Wolverine was on the floor stunned.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Batman has been cracked up side the head with a baseball bat from Twoface. ZOMG 😱

Since apparently it is common face on this forum to use low end examples of PIS and ignore the context of those feats in order to support your argument in cases concerning Wolverine, I wonder if perhaps I should give it a try and do the same with Batman? Let me know if thats what you'd like, because there is a lot to draw from.

...and I dont think i really have a problem with that. Go right ahead im sure id be more reasonable.

Again its not PIS. As its been stated Wolverine can get KOed by highly skilled humans, if it was just an average person with a bat thats a different matter. You are simply calling it PIS because you dont like it. Batman getting Koed by a 2face might even be a low showing but at least im not saying its PIS. Basically anything short of 3 class 100 shots its PIS thats is absurd.

Hell even when Wolverine gets his nuts blown off by the Punisher and he hits the deck its PIS. Despite the fact hes also been put to the floor in another example by getting his nuts blown off. Why is that PIS now....because you smply dont like it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He was sure capable of doing it thats why Wolverine was on the floor stunned.

Um, here are the scans for that scene:

First, he gets taken by surprise:
1.http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/549/mkwolvpunch0311.jpg

Then, when he's on the ground, the Atheist takes another 2 whacks at his head:
2.http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9787/mkwolvpunch0312.jpg

Then, when the Atheist goes to put Wolverine down, Wolverine shows how "stunned" he is:
3.http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9763/mkwolvpunch0313.jpg

So, even if Batman landed 3 unreturned shots on Wolverine with a weapon, this is the position he can expect to find himself in:
4.http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5397/mkwolvpunch0314.jpg

So yeah, great example.

Originally posted by Ize19
Um, here are the scans for that scene:

First, he gets taken by surprise:
1.http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/549/mkwolvpunch0311.jpg

Then, when he's on the ground, the Atheist takes another 2 whacks at his head:
2.http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9787/mkwolvpunch0312.jpg

Then, when the Atheist goes to put Wolverine down, Wolverine shows how "stunned" he is:
3.http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9763/mkwolvpunch0313.jpg

So, even if Batman landed 3 unreturned shots on Wolverine with a weapon, this is the position he can expect to find himself in:
4.http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5397/mkwolvpunch0314.jpg

So yeah, great example.

He also said that his adrenaline was pumping which had made his HF go up. 😐

Alos the other two shots were not suprises. So what now are you arguing he was pretending to be stunned? Athiest still showed capability to KO him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He also said that his adrenaline was pumping which had made his HF go up. 😐

Alos the other two shots were not suprises. So what now are you arguing he was pretending to be stunned? Athiest still showed capability to KO him.

Because his adrenaline's not going to be pumping against Batman? No, they weren't, which is why I didn't say they were. No, he wasn't pretending, but the instant a break appeared in the sequence of hits, he recovered. No, dazing Wolverine for a moment is not showing the capability to KO him, not even close.

ok soo we got wolverine who has an indestructible skeleton that would make him stronger because the pure weight of it...now according to how you gain muscle mass the combo of the skeleton and his healing factor he would be pretty ripped...the skeleton would make him heavy as well...now we add the fact that he has super sense's and a pretty long time of fight training....now we have batman...hes pretty much a genius...has some insane gadgets and has worked hard through a lot of his life to become physical perfection...he has skills, hes a great athlete, the mental ability to combine his gadgets and skills.

imo batman wins....the KMC's rules are definitely in his favor

Batman 7-10

Originally posted by Ize19
Because his adrenaline's not going to be pumping against Batman? No, they weren't, which is why I didn't say they were.

His adrenaline isn't going to pumping that much as it was in that comic. Somebody had just shot somebody he cared about and he freaked out. His HF was therefore more pumped than it normally was and thus would have made it harder for him to KO.

Originally posted by Ize19

No, he wasn't pretending, but the instant a break appeared in the sequence of hits, he recovered. No, dazing Wolverine for a moment is not showing the capability to KO him, not even close.

I don't know what you mean. When I see somebody floored and that person struggles to get off the floor then that person had the ability to KO. Im not saying its easy im just saying it can be done and that was clearly shown in that example.

Oh yeah I think Punisher floored Wolverine with a kick earlier on in that series. Wolverine wasn't suprised and had taken no serious damage before.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
His adrenaline isn't going to pumping that much as it was in that comic. Somebody had just shot somebody he cared about and he freaked out. His HF was therefore more pumped than it normally was and thus would have made it harder for him to KO.

Not really. Once Wolverine gets into a fight, his adrenaline starts pumping, and the only reason he makes special mention of it, is because he had been gunned down by surprise a couple of pages back, and he needed to "keep moving," in order to allow his body to heal faster than it had when he was perfectly calm. His healing factor was faster than it had been two pages before, not faster than normal.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I don't know what you mean. When I see somebody floored and that person struggles to get off the floor then that person had the ability to KO. Im not saying its easy im just saying it can be done and that was clearly shown in that example.

No. Wolverine was taking a second to stand up, when he got bashed two more times in the head. The Atheist paused for a moment to deliver a finishing swing, Wolverine recovered, and he reversed their positions. Being able to knock down somebody isn't the same as being able to knock them out. Wolverine was not unconscious at any point during his battle with the Atheist, nor was he close.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh yeah I think Punisher floored Wolverine with a kick earlier on in that series. Wolverine wasn't suprised and had taken no serious damage before.

Punisher knocked him down. For about a second. Wolverine wasn't "floored" as in stunned, he was "floored" as in knocked down. He got up immediately. Here are the scans:

1.http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6841/wolverinepunisher0204.jpg
2.http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7616/wolverinepunisher020506.jpg

Originally posted by Ize19
Not really. Once Wolverine gets into a fight, his adrenaline starts pumping, and the only reason he makes special mention of it, is because he had been gunned down by surprise a couple of pages back, and he needed to "keep moving," in order to allow his body to heal faster than it had when he was perfectly calm. His healing factor was faster than it had been two pages before, not faster than normal.

You are completely making shit up. Notice how he was talking about he needed to heal? Notice how when the women got gunned down his HF increased which enabled him to heal in time and kill the guys?

Originally posted by Ize19

No. Wolverine was taking a second to stand up, when he got bashed two more times in the head. The Atheist paused for a moment to deliver a finishing swing, Wolverine recovered, and he reversed their positions.

Yes of course he was thats why the guy was waving the godamn stick and talking to him about how hard it is to get blackthorn. You can see there was a real sense of urgency that Wolverine was going to get up. Hell look at Wolverines face, but you'll probably tell me that Wolverine looks like that because he was pissed.

Originally posted by Ize19
Being able to knock down somebody isn't the same as being able to knock them out. Wolverine was not unconscious at any point during his battle with the Atheist, nor was he close.

Now you're just being ridiculous. If somebody can knock you to the ground to the extent you have some difficuly getting up because you're stunned they obvoulsy have the ability to KO you.

Originally posted by Ize19

Punisher knocked him down. For about a second. Wolverine wasn't "floored" as in stunned, he was "floored" as in knocked down. He got up immediately. Here are the scans:

1.http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6841/wolverinepunisher0204.jpg
2.http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7616/wolverinepunisher020506.jpg

Wrong! Wolverine was knocked down, Punisher had time to reach for his knife talk and run over there. Wolverine was not up immediately.

why are you even debating wolverine's lowest showings?its like if people will debate about juggernaut and show the scans where bishop took him out those are low showings that were meant to give the inferiour oponnent any chance to fight him

Originally posted by Mike616
why are you even debating wolverine's lowest showings?its like if people will debate about juggernaut and show the scans where bishop took him out those are low showings that were meant to give the inferiour oponnent any chance to fight him

The point is its not a low showing. Highly skilled humans can KO Wolverine eg Daredevil, Punisher, Gorgon, Shingen etc.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is its not a low showing. Highly skilled humans can KO Wolverine eg Daredevil, Punisher, Gorgon, Shingen etc.

ha? highly skilled human? gorgon is super human dont even bring him into this

daredevil and punisher cant ko him its PIS , wolverine took hits from powerhouses all the time and went toe 2 toe with them , people like daredevil and punisher wont be able to ko wolverine due to the fact he got a healing factor and adamantium skeleton which means his body and bones wont get traume from those hits, it takes super human strength at high levels to knock him out other then that everything is PIS

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is its not a low showing. Highly skilled humans can KO Wolverine eg Daredevil, Punisher, Gorgon, Shingen etc.

your examples are low showings, pis are simply stupid nothing nes that you try to play up as more then they are.

Originally posted by Mike616
ha? highly skilled human? gorgon is super human dont even bring him into this

Actually I will the point is that he doesnt have class 100 strength, so he needs alot of skill to do what he does.

Originally posted by Mike616

daredevil and punisher cant ko him its PIS , wolverine took hits from powerhouses all the time and went toe 2 toe with them , people like daredevil and punisher wont be able to ko wolverine due to the fact he got a healing factor and adamantium skeleton which means his body and bones wont get traume from those hits, it takes super human strength at high levels to knock him out other then that everything is PIS

...and highly skilled humans have shown the ability to stun and hurt bricks with skill.

edit: Oh your a SOCK

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually I will the point is that he doesnt have class 100 strength, so he needs alot of skill to do what he does.

...and highly skilled humans have shown the ability to stun and hurt bricks with skill.

so if someone doesnt have class 100 strength that puts him in the ordenery people category? 😕

gorgon is super human and yet he didnt ko wolverine he just stub him with his sword but he wasnt able to ko wolverine during there entire fight

highly skilled human ? you call punisher a highly skilled human? those highly skilled humans were exchanging blows with freaking king pin and werent able to ko him, if someone with skills can ko a brick then its only people with super human strength that got skills like gamora or iron fist and shang chi who can amp there energy to super human levels, other then that there is no reason for someone like punisher to ko a very durable mutant that gors toe 2 toe with super human bricks

spider-man who is class 20 was giving everything he had to wolverine punching him in the head and face and he couldnt ko wolverine he couldnt do anything to him, i can bring even stronger examples but spider-man is enough, now tell me can punisher or daredevil inflict more damage then spider-man?

Originally posted by Mike616
so if someone doesnt have class 100 strength that puts him in the ordenery people category? 😕

He has class 2 strength alot of street levelers arguably have class 1 strength.

Originally posted by Mike616

gorgon is super human and yet he didnt ko wolverine he just stub him with his sword but he wasnt able to ko wolverine during there entire fight

You need to read there fights again he should the ability to KO Wolverine on more than one ocassion.

Originally posted by Mike616

higly skilled human ? you cann punisher a highly skilled human? those highly skilled humans were exchanging blows with freaking king pin and werent able to ko him, if someone with skills can ko a brick then its only people with super human strength that got skills like gamora or iron fist and shang chi who can amp there energy to super human levels, other then that there is no reason for someone like punisher to ko a very durable mutant that gors toe 2 toe with super human bricks

Um he couldnt KO the Kingpin because hwas too fast and too strong. Punisher has fought people more durable than him and shown the ability to Ko them. US Agent has some impressive showings and hes knocked him to the floor and US Agent had trouble getting back up.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He has class 2 strength alot of street levelers arguably have class 1 strength.

You need to read there fights again he should the ability to KO Wolverine on more than one ocassion.

Um he couldnt KO the Kingpin because hwas too fast and too strong. Punisher has fought people more durable than him and shown the ability to Ko them. US Agent has some impressive showings and hes knocked him to the floor and US Agent had trouble getting back up.

its not relevant to compare gorgon with others because he didnt ko wolverine , there arent any street level people like punisher and daredevil who can lift a ton they are athleticly strong which means they can press double there weight, captain america who is a peak human can press something like 800 lbs

he should the ability? what? anyway he didnt and couldnt ko wolverine case closed as we saw on panel

you really trying to compare kingpin and US agent to wolverine? you lost any credibility