Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sure, but I'm talking about the connection, where there is none. If a connection is found, then I agree. Until then...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In a way Death Jello is inciting violence.
If Glen Beck ended up dead from someone who legitimately took Jello to mean he wished them killed, then I suppose I would support an investigation into how culpable he was for such action.
There are some very angry, very ignorant people in America. Not that everyone who partakes in conservative media is, but the media does placate to this crowd. They should be held accountable if their message is causing such deranged people to believe they should be violent.
Though, I think actual "incitement" would be very hard to prove in this case. Jello has posted some quotes from some of these individuals that paint them as disgusting racists and intolerant bigots, but I don't know if any come to the point of culpability in violence.
indeed, but in the context of American Revolutionary rhetoric, that is understandable.
I'm of the opinion that there would need to be a smoking gun here, or at least more of a connection between the violent individual and Bachman than having just heard his opinion that there should be revolutions and some times.
Like, I talk about the inherent violence of government and dismantling the apparatus of the state, sometimes in less academic terms than that. If saying revolutions can sometimes be good is akin to inciting violence, I've got trouble
I agree, but disagreeing with someone or being paranoid about their motives are not enough to deny them basic liberties. She can say what she wants, but that "armed and ready", in the context of armed individuals at protests, I think opens her up to some accountability if they do something stupid (aside from the stupid action of carrying a loaded gun in an emotional crowd).
Also, strange I assumed she was a he...
Originally posted by King Kandy
I know, because Michelle is such a manly name right?
I know, I'm a terribly misogynist
Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm not saying her speech should have been prohibited. I'm just saying she has definitely done some things to incite violence, that bear relevance to this topic.
They certainly could be taken that way. What is missing is the directly linkable violence.
If it is found that the murderers in this case were fans of Bachman, and the armed and ready comment made them feel they needed to violently protect themselves from a census taker, then ya, I'm in favor of an investigation.
I don't know, I'm really radical on speech issues. I'd say incitement should be nearly as hard as conspiracy charges to make stick, just because I'd rather have free, but hateful, speech.
Originally posted by inimalist
I often wonder if this is such an American problem, or if that type of sentiment is echoed in places like Canada, only people don't talk about it.Either way, I guess in my naivete I had supposed that overt racism was still enough to lose listeners.
What does Limbaugh have to say about McVeigh? LOL, what does Beck say about McVeigh?
Got another one for ya, this one's a bit old-
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”
-Anne Coulter
Of course, this is the same woman who wrote that the only question with Bill Clinton is whether to "impeach or assassinate" and somehow didn't get a "pleasant" visit from secret service. But then again, that was during that time period where several Republican members of congress talked about presidential assassination on the floor but weren't visited by Secret Service either...
Originally posted by Darth Jello
“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”-Anne Coulter
man, a close second to Palin asserting that those who kill abortion doctors aren't terrorists
how is it that the mega patriotic follow someone who obviously doesn't give two shits about American lives? America would be a better nation if more Americans were dead? (unless its the towel heads that do it)
Re: And it begins: The first reported case of tea bagger murder
Originally posted by Darth Jello
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9AT92400Thank you very much Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of you morons. I wonder how many more people are going to die before someone shuts you idiots down for inciting people to violence.
And....it turns out it was a suicide.