League of Champions Battlezone Challenge- Charlotte vs Psycho Gundam

Now, when the base is established...let's move to the debunking of the plan.
Aka why his plan fails and mine works.

The tachyon field to bypass Brainiac's shielding...clever, if not for Persuader's power (same powerset as Silver Samurai) failing to effect it.
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/Week%206%20Team/adv366-18.jpg

It's also>>>Invisible Woman's forcefield as shown by it withstanding attack from PC Validus.
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/Week%206%20Team/adv366-16.jpg
At least- AT LEAST- that means that the thingies will stuck in the shield...alllowing another power to kick in. Pilgrim... or Dr Synthesis for that matter... uses his power on reflex, automatically transmuting ANY projectile that heads his way (shrapnel into the flowers)
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/Week%206%20Team/strangers-1_10.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/Week%206%20Team/strangers-1_11.jpg

And you did NOTHING to protect from tech-disabling magic. Apart from Faust's own arsenal, we can add some semantic magic tricks into that.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1117633_Terror_Titians-_004/
Turning your technology against you... neat trick, huh?

We ARE faster than you. Hurricane\superbreath is fine and dandy, but not to someone who posess superhuman reflexes (proving that we WOULD be able to react to your attacks).

Superman'esque speed (from Tomorrow Woman's powerset, who uses TK in Superboy's fashion to augument her speed and strength)
http://img240.imageshack.us/i/trinity23010.jpg/
http://img240.imageshack.us/i/trinity23011.jpg/

Our team is in psionic hivemind. Every action is formulated at the speed of thought... and formulating for our psionic\magic powers=executing.
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

So before you can aim your beam (provided it's not reflexively transmuted before it hits us, Sentry and the rest of DA were dumbfound, didn't expect the attack and didn't have energy converting powers to revert it on your team)...that beam might as well be hitting your own team.

On psionic powers. Ems is known to be formidable TP user, and we have THREE TP sets there. Pathfinder and Dr Synthesis posess Tomorrow Woman's TP.

Which is:
>> Martian Manhunter's
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/TomorrowWomanPage09.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/TomorrowWomanPage20.jpg

Capable on functioning in technopathy'esque way (=the ability to bypass tech-based immunities of Apocalypse and Jeffries)
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/JLA5pg17.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/TomorrowWomanPage09.jpg

Four lobed brains=advantage over common telepaths
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1190/trinity22020pe4.jpg

I'd like to bring the fact that Poccy needs to activate his psi-resistance counsciously.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/psionic53.png

That's non-Phoenix Jean. Emeralda and Tomorrow Woman (and we have basically two "Tomorrow Women" in Pathfinder and Dr Synthesis) are>that.

My team ALL having superhuman thinking speed (can't say the same about yours)=you drop dead from our initial attack as it would be (minus sonic scream but it hardly matters there) FASTER than yours.

no powers though 🤨

your magic will be shut off/dissipated mid flight and won't
make it remotely close to full strength near my team .you literally have a very rapidly dwindling offense, the power disruption is all over my side of the field thanks to both characters.

speed is capped at mach ten i believe, and my characters are easily capable of creating jets (madison can literally make/become one) and then we have the same speed, and on top of that, apocalypse can teleport if he needs to dodge...idunno what, he can do it with ease.

you found one scan of an apocalypse telepathy low showing, but it was quite apt since any psychic assault launched at him will be dissipated to the same strength maximum lol.

he's psy-blasted xavier, defeated exodus, defeated psynapse, reflected jean grey's mental attack (more than once), and.......

😖hifty:

here's madison and mental defense:

but back to your now feeble attacks; IF you manage to somehow damage my team, not even factoring in apocalypse's malleability powers and restructuring, madison's dynamic durability (fought wonderman, and tundra)

they can do this:

and

(note* I beefed up the box bot before the match with metal from harrow's laboratory.)

and apocalypse could apply his malleability power to hasten the rebuilding of himself, then apply chackra strings to madison to rebuild him faster too. 😬

and the de-powering effect will still be in play once they recuperate, but then again, what will they have to recuperate from anyway. 🙂

Low showing? Lulz... That's from THERE. He zapped Xavier with energy blast, and that's all. Exodus was defeated TELEKINETICALLY. What does it mean against a TELEPATHIC assault?

The scan with Phoenix is AOA=non-canon. In fact, the whole claim about Poccy's>>>Xavier and other BS was debunked there.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474929&pagenumber=2#post10064189

Nice arguments, I won't be repeating that one.

Also, our TP>>>X-Force Cable (who was pretty much low-\mid-tier telepath, only absence of TO makes him one), AND Box was immune due to being in Box armour. Two of our telepaths have no problem employing the power in technopathy like fashion=no problem to mindblitz your team (EVERYONE there has human-reaction speed, Poccy reacted on...Quicksilver (sub-Mach 1 one) and Beast, Jeffries also was blitzed.

The analysis by our dear friend Xmarksthespots makes sure that mindblitz works before you fire your ray (the attack in the scans is some nonsensical ray, "depowering" even those who should have no powers by standarts of their race (Venom, Bullseye)).

It should be directed other way than wind currents, I suppose, cause Hood's gang, surrounding poor chaps, don't seem to have any problems with their powers. Sentry (and New Avengers) were hit by some kind of ray. So it's not like it can be disrupted by some glorified fan...and the fan type distributor, in fact, makes it easier to avoid, as EVERYONE in my team can fly faster than hurricane speeds...and swamps are pretty big area.

In fact, mindblitz works faster than your neutralizer attack.

To drive home any talks of Poccy's vaunted resistance I'd like to quote Xmarksthespots once more.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

So let's move onto a related question:
[b]Does Apocalypse have telepathy at all?

Well the first strike against him having telepathy is his reaction in incident 3 above where he speaks of telepathy as something he has yet to encounter.

The second is his apparent inability to travel to the Astral Plane on his own accord.
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3945/58182587fr3.jpg
- It's been stated by some without evidence that this was due to the need to be physically transported to the Astral Plane - there is no evidence of IW nor Cable nor Apocalypse being physically on the Astral Plane. As the name dictates you cannot be physically on the Astral Plane afaik.
- The three travel in astral form via the Astral Plane, to sneak into Onslaught's Citadel which is outside of the Astral Plane made of solidified telepathic energy can be accessed via the Astral or Physical Planes. Upon entering the Citadel outside of the Astral Plane they are instantly detected and, like the Citadel is telepathic energy made physical, they are physical beings there too. IW is revealed having been kept concealed telepathically as they traversed the Astral Plane into the Citadel.

And finally there is this:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9914/93421844ou4.jpg
The last of these five telepaths is Emma Frost. From which one can conclude that if Marvel ever did or still does consider Apocalypse a telepath at all, he at the very least isn't of the level of any of those five.

Verdict:
It is questionable whether Apocalypse has any telepathic ability at all and there's nothing to suggest he is equal to or superior to Xavier under normal conditions.
Busted? I think so, but you be the judge. doped [/B]

eh?.....

the hood's gang was immune cause they're rolling with dr. harrow, who's entrance into the fold was that he was capable of de-powering the avengers, little did they know the dark avengers would show up.

and sentry wasn't "hit" by anything, he just showed up where he wasn't supposed to be, the blast you saw was a sentry grand entrance.

and what's all this talk of apocalypse having true blue telepathy? any telepathic stuff was initiated willingly be madison jeffries. what apocalypse does have is a very strong mind that will hold strong against telepathic assaults, he's reflected them multiple times. the main thing is he's beaten a laundry list of telepaths without apparently using telepathy. madison's mind is hard to crack for his own reasons.

i said "that was a telepathy low showing" because it was a resistance low showing, meh. he's still yet to be mentally dominated, but then
again de-powering effect should handle any of that really. foreign mutant/metahuman/technologically enhanced people be damned.

so yeah, i have the 3rd kazakage summoned, and i'll us it's magnetic powers to forcfully yank the metal of your team towards my puppet, metalic characters or technology...i don't care at this point. i already applied chachra strings on them so they can't do anything.

And now... the main dagger in the back of your plan.

Your whole "spread the power drainer around the battlefield" plan is utter and complete nonsence. That either don't work at all or depowers the distributor in the process.

NA #50. As you may know, the device was initially developed by Starktech. Here Ms Marvel explains how it works- it's sort of EMP- a forcefield like thing. With limited radius.
http://img67.imageshack.us/i/na50020.jpg/
http://img160.imageshack.us/i/na50021.jpg/
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/na50022.jpg/

It's also wreckable by regular gunshots... so tech-messing spell would utterly destroy it.

NA #55. Chemistro and Harrow talk about REPAIRING the device. Reverse engineering it.
http://img230.imageshack.us/i/newavengers055mrshepher.jpg/

Later we see that suitcase-like design wasn't changed, so it's not like they added something on their own.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539093_New_Avengers_055_(Mr.Shepherd-Megan)_pg13-14/

Later we see some nonsensical gas attack performed by Chemistro. Unlike you may try to make judges believe, the gas itself doesn't distribute anything. It's a trick to get Avengers within blast radius (which is about 100 metres or what). I have already shown that Harrow\Chemistro duo didn't upgradre a thing... merely reverse-engineered it.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539165_New_Avengers_055_(Mr.Shepherd-Megan)_pg20/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539170_New_Avengers_055_(Mr.Shepherd-Megan)_pg21-22/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539186_New_Avengers_055_(Mr.Shepherd-Megan)_pg23/

More proof that it was the device in Harrow's hands doing the work and not the gas, and that was Harrow directing that. The ONLY probable thing I can attribute to the gas is what your basic tear gas does- sickness feeling to the baseline humans, and that's being generous.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539225_new_avengers_57_005-006/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539229_new_avengers_57_007/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539212_new_avengers_57_008/

If it were the gas doing the work, it couldn't have been turned off\on on the whim.Gas attacks just don't work like that.

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So...it's in fact forcefield-type thing with limited blast radius. It's not gas attack so your wind currents are meaningless...unless EMPs have become gas attacks recently.

And due to radius <starting distance, we either get away from you (superspeed, teleporting) or the spell disrupts it before it hits us. It's NOT the gas cloud to cover entire battle area... don't make judges think so just because some gas attack was used to lure Avengers towards it.

Anyways, unless you want to argue the actual contents of the comic book, no wind distribution for you (and swift destruction of device, as with our superhuman speed in both movement AND thinking and device itself being pretty fragile, it either goes kaboom or directed towards your own team). We're not charging heads first towards standing target(s) like Avengers did there when they were lured into the blast radius.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
eh?.....

the hood's gang was immune cause they're rolling with dr. harrow, who's entrance into the fold was that he was capable of de-powering the avengers, little did they know the dark avengers would show up.

and sentry wasn't "hit" by anything, he just showed up where he wasn't supposed to be, the blast you saw was a sentry grand entrance.

and what's all this talk of apocalypse having true blue telepathy? any telepathic stuff was initiated willingly be madison jeffries. what apocalypse does have is a very strong mind that will hold strong against telepathic assaults, he's reflected them multiple times. the main thing is he's beaten a laundry list of telepaths without apparently using telepathy. madison's mind is hard to crack for his own reasons.

i said "that was a telepathy low showing" because it was a resistance low showing, meh. he's still yet to be mentally dominated, but then
again de-powering effect should handle any of that really. foreign mutant/metahuman/technologically enhanced people be damned.

so yeah, i have the 3rd kazakage summoned, and i'll us it's magnetic powers to forcfully yank the metal of your team towards my puppet, metalic characters or technology...i don't care at this point. i already applied chachra strings on them so they can't do anything.

Aaand...I've already shown that your puppets, being technology, can be screwed, than the power drainer is energy blasting thing and not the gas (thus no spreading it over the battlefield).

I'm afraid New Gods' tech is a bit>>>>what your team has. Not talking about Apocalypse celestial technology, but if we can juice up the spell with as much magical energy as we need (proof shown) you're screwed, darling.

As for Apocalypse mind being indominable- we don't need to dominate it, it's too long and too complex. A mindblast like the one used on Hourman, the android (there goes Jeffries' tech based resistance to MIND SCAN you've shown) only three times like that AND juiced up by amping spell in prep=doing job just the fine.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539480_Hourman02p12/

If you're not hitting us with power damperer (see above why you won't), then chakra needles are meaningless (won't hit), puppets are meaningless (magically screwed up, reprogrammed etc) and you're brain dead.

apocalypse and madison have created their own versions of the device and have them on their person with chemistro's gas system. harrow turned it off cause he had the machine on and was looking for a bargaining ship with osborn, as i said and yourself said, chemistro and harrow collaborated on weaponizing stark's machine.

the gas is a catalyst for the effects, and both my characters have a version on them so...to deny so would be to ignore chemistro's involvement in the designs and what he did against both teams of avengers. i mean, just look at ms. marvel, first one to get hit and the first one to go down.

and yes they reverse engineered it, but they also fixed it too. that means they could have changed it's workings to best fit TWO opinions of two scientists. harrow isn't a fighter, chemistro is so his method of combat best fits the carrying system of the devise. just look how successful that worked.

i was going to post them popping the antidote but i guess i don't have to. and my team is quite immune to any effects of our creation.

i summoned the puppet only after the initial blitz, not before.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
apocalypse and madison have created their own versions of the device and have them on their person with chemistro's gas system. harrow turned it off cause he had the machine on and was looking for a bargaining ship with osborn, as i said and yourself said, chemistro and harrow collaborated on weaponizing stark's machine.

the gas is a catalyst for the effects, and both my characters have a version on them so...to deny so would be to ignore chemistro's involvement in the designs and what he did against both teams of avengers. i mean, just look at ms. marvel, first one to get hit and the first one to go down.

and yes they reverse engineered it, but they also fixed it too. that means they could have changed it's workings to best fit TWO opinions of two scientists. harrow isn't a fighter, chemistro is so his method of combat best fits the carrying system of the devise. just look how successful that worked.

i was going to post them popping the antidote but i guess i don't have to. and my team is quite immune to any effects of our creation.

i summoned the puppet only after the initial blitz, not before.

Proof for gas being the catalyst and not some tear gas to give additional sickness feeling? The original version doesn't need any catalyst and the active radius was (both for original and changed version) barely 100 metres...as you can see for yourself.

The only thing that didn't work like in Stark's version AND can be contributed to gas (and can be done with your basic tear gas) is sickness feeling. Once again, it's not the gas that does the depowering thing.

http://img67.imageshack.us/i/na50020.jpg/
Bio-EMP.

And Harrow didn't change A THING in Stark's design. Harrow AND Chemistro themselves say that it's million times more advanced that what they're used to work with.

Chemistro was involved in repairing process as the matter manipulator (it surely used some exotic materials not laying handy in Harrow's lab) and them maybe produced the cloud of tear gas for sickness feeling. And luring Avengers into the blast radius. Pretty big involvement.

If they've upgraded it beyond Stark's design, it would have been stated on panel, don't you think?

Note than the gas is visible, and when Dark Avengers arrive to the scene, there's no gas at all. AND even if the gas is catalyst, it's bio-EMP that does the depowering. Without it the gas is meaningless.

As for his own version of the device...how the hell you're going to make it... in 4 minutes? Cause that takes the time you have for your big amalgam (6 minutes) substracted from your general prep time. And NO WAY Jeffries and Harrow by themselves are smart enough to make the whole bio-EMP thing into gas or nanites in...4 minutes. Changing the principle of the weapon that Harrow only understands enough to reverse-engineer or repair.

Spreading what may be your random tear gas around the battlefield won't do you any good, and then your whole strategy falls apart as the house of cards.

Cause your depowerer would be blown up, you'll be mind fryed

be easy.

4 minutes is too much time for madison.

those guys were just in awe of stark's technical know how, but it's true that the machine was beyond what harrow and chemistro would come up with on their own, but that's the beauty of reverse engineering. they also you know...managed to fix the thing and run it with no apparent struggle so why bring it up? it's not celestial tech or something. and then there was the part where harrow hacked the iron patriot armour like it was child's play. 😬

you're underestimating him, he most likely made an entirely new model of the device, and he has the knowledge to pass on to osborn.

i want to know why chemistro would use "tear gas" on the avengers when they were headed for his location anyway? ...maybe the gas has something to do with the modifications those two integrated into the device, and it's delivery system. and since when does tear gas give people heart attacks?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
be easy.

4 minutes is too much time for madison.

those guys were just in awe of stark's technical know how, but it's true that the machine was beyond what harrow and chemistro would come up with on their own, but that's the beauty of reverse engineering. they also you know...managed to fix the thing and run it with no apparent struggle so why bring it up? it's not celestial tech or something. and then there was the part where harrow hacked the iron patriot armour like it was child's play. 😬

you're underestimating him, he most likely made an entirely new model of the device, and he has the knowledge to pass on to osborn.

i want to know why chemistro would use "tear gas" on the avengers when they were headed for his location anyway? ...maybe the gas has something to do with the modifications those two integrated into the device, and it's delivery system. and since when does tear gas give people heart attacks?

I'm not precisely saying it was the tear gas- there's lots of poisonous gases known... And the reason it was Chemistro doing the luring work...

http://www.picamatic.com/view/5539170_New_Avengers_055_(Mr.Shepherd-Megan)_pg21-22/
I think the dialogue with Bucky says it all- he can transmute webbing, shield and bullets...and NA aren't big on anything else, as Ms Marvel is used by Bendis as flying brick...and gets owned once she gets within the device radius...which is limited... barely 100 metres or something. As seen with Sentry (Chemistro was KOed by Mockingbird by that time), once a person gets close to where the device is placed, they're owned.

So... device can work without gas present (shown when DA show up and get into the trap), so gas is relatively unimportant thing. By spreading the gas around the battlefield you won't achieve the thing...

And NO WAY Jeffries is smart enough to totally rework the power dampener of THAT caliber in 4 minutes (it's likely took a lot more to Harrow and Chemistro). He's NOT thinking on computer speeds unlike Sage...or for that matter, my Brainiac 5- whose mind was genetically altered to function on the level of Koluan supercomputers.
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/Week%206%20Team/Adventure_365-31-OPLSHText.jpg

Also Jeffries is no expert on power damperers at all... if you had say, Forge, then saying you can make the gas to do actual depowering work is plausible. But so far it's limited radius bio- EMP.

Iron Patriot armour is no actual Starktech..and what actually do hacking skills have with the proof of the ability to make basically entire new device with the same level of plot deviceness- dampeners as what you're going to do is far from both original Stark's design and how Harrow did it (he didn't change a thing).

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So... what do we have.
1. Your first offence line (power dampener) is relatively close range, being bio-EMP (and our team is not insane to get into CQC with freakin' Apocalypse, so don't expect us to get within 100 metres from your team since long range is more of our forte). The only thing that gets within that range is puppet constuct controlled by Dr Synthesis...and once it gets affected, the team knows that getting close to your guys=commiting suicide.

2. Your second line... chakra infused needles or whatever. They would a)stuck into forcefield (see what happened to Persuader's axe as it got into the field that seals as soon as it's pierced); b) be transmuted (reflexively) by Dr Synthesis (he did that with the attack from the guy who self-explodes in the same fashion as Poccy in your scans); c) it's not 100% guaranteed that it will work on Dr Synthesis as the amalgam is soulless due to Faust, thus no soul manip\life energy manip is possible.

Some proof.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
[b]Healing/Immunities

Immune to the Effects of the River Styx, because he has No Soul

Immune to the Soul Corrupting Effects of Michael's Spear because he has No Soul.

[/B]

So what exactly Sasori can do what divine artifact can't? Chi\chakra is usually considered to be connected to soul, though I admit that this point is speculation based on the fact that needles WILL stuck. And Persuader and reflex transmutation (as well as the neutraliser being bio-EMP generator and NOT gas) show they won't .

3. The flamethrowers. Might adress that as judges may feel that I left that part of your plan get unadressed.
Fire doesn't bother White Martians unless it comes into actual physical contact with them:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/882413_Teen_Titans_053-14/
Seen as the forcefield is enough.

Not only every single one in our team has forcefield generator, but Emeralda is wearing Sun Boy's suit- that grants genuine pyrokinetic powers:
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/week%207/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen099-15.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/week%207/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen099-16.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/week%207/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen099-17.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp278/fangirl101_photos/week%207/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen099-18.jpg

So that's enough to prove that flamethrowers are non-factor.

Also, our team in general has better reaction speed. I've touched on Tomorrow Woman's TK-induced superspeed and Brainiac's computer mind, but didn't talk about Emeralda.

The version with teenage mind (current M'gann) was already capable on reaction speed feats like the one shown there:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993249_05/
http://www.picamatic.com/view/993268_06/

Now she has the access to the skillset of an adult Martian warrior (her future self) meaning she can do everything White Martian warriors can do:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=1140535&postcount=1

From there I'd like you to note this scan. Primaid is the closest thing to adult M'gann minus esoteric fighting skills (it's unknown wheter M'gann knows ancient Martian MAs)- an adult female White Martian with warrior training
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/martian2.jpg
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So... in fact, your neutraliser is too close range, your chakra attack are useless or close to that... while we can juice our magical and psionic attacks with as much energy as we need due to Dr Synthesis' powers...to make sure your tech WILL be affected and you WILL be mind fried (not dominated or scanned).

All considering our team are faster shots (yet to see the feats of superhuman reaction\thinking speed from Jeffries, and Poccy is...well, a slowpoke compared to us, the rest of your team are baseline humans when it gets to speed), and the spell that causes the tech to malfunction works regardless from how hard the compounds are. The neutraliser is not unbreakable by any means...

all that would be cool if you had powers, knocking that part down isn't really concrete.

chemistro is a scientist, so yeah, he's tries not to fight, but the whole gas thing not being part of it is dubious since it serves no other purpose.

if the avengers had no powers due to power drainer, why gas them?
and what gas pray tell causes nausea AND myocardial infarction?
and where can i buy it?

and the kicker.......why was mockingbird, you know, the chick without powers healthy enough to force feed chemistro boot leather when she was present for the whole thing?

that's a head scratcher....... 😗

anyway

so i like...gas the place and cut the hell out of everything, cook it, shoot it, envenomate it, string it, and bop it. "pass it!"

the 3rd kazakage puppet then magneta-yanks metal tools/components and characters to get further perforated.

Hmm... I watched the device being used by Tony Stark (and described by him). Sickness feelings from being affected ensue, so... it's probably not gas providing for the sickness, but then...neither it is the major factor for depowerment.

But there's two things- 1)it's localised neuro-net that basically makes people forget they have powers (Osborn's armour is mentally controlled by him so that's why it floats away when he steps into the range of neutraliser, also that's why Ares AND Venom are affected as they're not humans with altered DNA; Ms Marvel's "bio-EMP" explanation is "dumb-blonde" one, I tend to believe the developer himself);
2)It really doesn't work on some powersets (so Ms Marvel was right a bit(- that being sorcerers (though magic-powered beings like Ares and Iron Fist are affected) and (apprarent from device description) telepaths (since it's basically planting psi-suggestion in one's head)- unluckily we don't have anyone of that type present in mass depowerment scene
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5567589_New_Avengers_029_-_page_08/
And that's current, non-SS Dr Strange who's on the same level in power as Faust.

So... "f*ck up your tech" spell is utterly plausible, as is blowing the gas away from us (probably for aestethic reasons as it's most likely not it that depowers folks).

As we know wind manip too...
http://img61.imageshack.us/i/windsfa9.jpg/
And backup shields while it prevents the gas from contact with us (Brainiac-developed ones can take the bulk of assault and those are only needed when sh*t starts hitting the fan for the time needed to clear the area around our team from gas)
http://img137.imageshack.us/i/shieldvz3.jpg/

Also some proof that telepaths of highest order are immune to the way the thing works (subconscious suggestion of not having powers). In the days of Academy X, it was Emma Frost who was responsible for recruiting students with such type of power for precisely that reason. See Tag's bio for example:
http://www.picamatic.com/view/5567672_New_X-Men_-_Academy_X_-_Yearbook_Special_38/

As for "it's telepathic in principle yet Senty was affected"... well, he's just as "immune" as anyone else against subtile things going on in his mind (see Venus totally owning his mind for example, and she's far from first order telepath, just works by subtle means).

even if that was the "truth" (and assuming it wasn't altered by the two scientists to get rid of such an asinine flaw) behind it's effects, you can't retroactively attune your initial defense to try and combat gas from passing through shields in the 7th inning, c'mon now.

the mass owning of all the people it made contact with kinda proves my point. an i reiterate: sentry came down with a huge explosion (guys were flying about in his wake), didn't help him one bit. some street punk could have taken him out at that point 😬

Originally posted by psycho gundam
even if that was the "truth" (and assuming it wasn't altered by the two scientists to get rid of such an asinine flaw) behind it's effects, you can't retroactively attune your initial defense to try and combat gas from passing through shields in the 7th inning, c'mon now.

the mass owning of all the people it made contact with kinda proves my point. an i reiterate: sentry came down with a huge explosion (guys were flying about in his wake), didn't help him one bit. some street punk could have taken him out at that point 😬

Is there any high level sorcerers and telepaths in Hood's gang for them to "test" the flaw on? They were lucky to replicate the basic design...and it's not like the powersets they were counting on to encounter included sorcerers and telepaths (nobody in both New and Dark Avengers had said powers).

And the gas itself won't depower the tech we came up with so it's not important (it's not the gas doing the depowerment).

And where there was a bang with Sentry? All I see is the same "descending line" Ms Marvel had. Feeling turned upside down and psionic suggestion of forgetting they have superpowers (have you heard about people who got burned by cold iron under hypnosis when it was implanted into their minds than it's hot) did the rest...

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Anyways, that's going in circles. However, we DO KNOW that the depowerment isn't done by gas and can't be done to be dependent on it in 4 minutes. Madison isn't an expert in universal depowering tech, it's Forge's and apparently Stark's cup of tea... So talking about gases is meaningless, and the Brainiac shielding (prep-established) and transmutation takes care of the needles. You just happened to mess up in prep a bit, with the depowerer field. Juicing up the field by powering up the generator I can buy (and accept my team is dead if that were the case), but sadly it's not what yoi went with, but some useless gases.

Our team won't be lured into direct CQC with yours so... the chance of getting within the depowerer radius are small. As the radius is around 100 metres in all directions.

While our main attacks are RANGED- mind blast and tech disruption spell, in quick succession. Poccy's mind resistance is strong, but being mindblasted by two beings with powerlevel>>Martian Manhunter and one amped up member of Marvel telepathic top five at once is definetely something that's going to hurt. And Jeffries... one feat involving X-Force T-O infected Cable isn't going to cut it, he was affected by telepaths on multiple occasions.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Is there any high level sorcerers and telepaths in Hood's gang for them to "test" the flaw on? They were lucky to replicate the basic design...and it's not like the powersets they were counting on to encounter included sorcerers and telepaths (nobody in both New and Dark Avengers had said powers).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And the gas itself won't depower the tech we came up with so it's not important (it's not the gas doing the depowerment).

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
And where there was a bang with Sentry? All I see is the same "descending line" Ms Marvel had. Feeling turned upside down and psionic suggestion of forgetting they have superpowers (have you heard about people who got burned by cold iron under hypnosis when it was implanted into their minds than it's hot) did the rest...

2 bangs: his entrance, then his human temple on the ground.

and i'd like to see the part where anyone made any sort of suggestions to any of the now powerless characters due to chemistro/harrow's version. i keep hearing a fraudulent theory on a OLDER MODEL with ONE man's idea of on-battlefield delivery.

stark's is a relic.
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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Anyways, that's going in circles. However, we DO KNOW that the depowerment isn't done by gas and can't be done to be dependent on it in 4 minutes. Madison isn't an expert in universal depowering tech, it's Forge's and apparently Stark's cup of tea... So talking about gases is meaningless, and the Brainiac shielding (prep-established) and transmutation takes care of the needles. You just happened to mess up in prep a bit, with the depowerer field. Juicing up the field by powering up the generator I can buy (and accept my team is dead if that were the case), but sadly it's not what yoi went with, but some useless gases.

thankfully apocalypse's weapons are imbued with the tachyon field and move faster and hit harder (hulk class strength) than his axe does. their snake like motion would have them enter the shield like p's axe, but continue through to scramble the egg inside easily.

also, the shield used to halt persuader was the size of a doorway and looks like it took the entire doorway to rectify that shield, the force belts you want to create shouldn't even be able to stay full power for long, especially if they have to replenish the shield from being attacked relentlessly 😬 . i only need the tip of my arm weapon to enter your shield to de-power your team, but them stopping vapors from passing through shouldn't be a problem anyway.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Our team won't be lured into direct CQC with yours so... the chance of getting within the depowerer radius are small. As the radius is around 100 metres in all directions.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6160/v30ch27116.png
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1981/v30ch27117.png
note* teh pic has a lot more of those, and more can be generated on a whim: http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8533/apocaosas5.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/5369/powers24.png
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3186/powe26.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1162/apocgrowheight.png

and formal CQC won't happen, once your team is powerless and stringed they get magnetically reeled in like a tractor beam and get your weaponry confiscated, then they get beated to death. 😐

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
While our main attacks are RANGED- mind blast and tech disruption spell, in quick succession. Poccy's mind resistance is strong, but being mindblasted by two beings with powerlevel>>Martian Manhunter and one amped up member of Marvel telepathic top five at once is definetely something that's going to hurt. And Jeffries... one feat involving X-Force T-O infected Cable isn't going to cut it, he was affected by telepaths on multiple occasions.

you might get madison with a residual blast wave, but then he just reforms or fixes the damage (image posted ....somewhere) and apocalypse is immune to any of it, not only is he not of any metallic element, but he's also master of his own atomic structure.

and there will be no "quick succession" from your team, unless it's groans and projectile vomiting....

judges?

Are your post limit up?

it's been a week, isn't that the standard duration of a match?

I thought this was determined by a set number of posts, but a week is just fine by mine. It would be nice if each of you made a short post with a conclusion, but that's something Delph would have to accept. I'll wait for his word on what's what and then get to my verdict. I still haven't completely decided.