Thoughts on Polanski's arrest?

Originally posted by dadudemon
That doesn't work either. Here's why, "people are just looking for an excuse to enforce their idea of sexuality on others by using the common sense argument...which also applies to 14 year old girls and boys."

See how that works? It actually hurts your perspective to use that as a counter.

Yes actually it does. facepalm ie the logic works.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It's called a strawman. I don't care to debate in circles. You haven't actually addressed how you're making a moral relativistic fallacy. Since I've upped the anty with current research into human sexuality, your failure to provide a sound response to my accusation of a morally relativistic fallacy on your part only compounds my point. (Which, by the way, is a nice response to your strawman argument of "you can use it to justify anything" point.)

Yes actually I was going to point how you're strawmanning as well. Your post actually didn't prove anything.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'd disagree, as far as I recall your first post on that matter had mostly "I won't discuss this", "This is not debatable" in it. No solid reason, why it is inherently wrong to have sex with a 13 year old girl.

My point really boils down to, and I have debated this multilple times before here, that a random line that is picked is inherently unfair. This is of course partly shown by the lines being entirely different in different western countries, without any huge consequences.

Again, mental maturity may be the factor that has to be discussed, and just as there are 18 year olds too dumb and immature to consider the consequences of their actions, so are there 13 year olds mentally and physically able to make a sound decision.

Well, scientifically, you're correct. Not all humans sexually mature at the same rate. It should be normal to not find a female that isn't fully sexually mature at 16, attractive. On the same token, it would be perfectly normal to find a sexually 13-year old female or male sexually attractive. Societal norms be damned.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'd disagree, as far as I recall your first post on that matter had mostly "I won't discuss this", "This is not debatable" in it. No solid reason, why it is inherently wrong to have sex with a 13 year old girl.

My point really boils down to, and I have debated this multilple times before here, that a random line that is picked is inherently unfair. This is of course partly shown by the lines being entirely different in different western countries, without any huge consequences.

Again, mental maturity may be the factor that has to be discussed, and just as there are 18 year olds too dumb and immature to consider the consequences of their actions, so are there 13 year olds mentally and physically able to make a sound decision.

You're wrong, go back and read the post.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes actually it does. facepalm ie the logic works.

facepalm

You really missed it, bro. There's not use in continuing this as I think you're just trolling, now.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yes actually I was going to point how you're strawmanning as well. Your post actually didn't prove anything.

So, I'm "stawmanning" by actually backing up my points? Odd. 😐

Bardock, after reading his last few posts, I'm convinced he's just trolling.

Don't feed the trolls, I guess.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Brilliant now you wanna think about how that proves nothing. Now you wanna start thinking why we have laws against adults sleeping with 13yrs old. facepalm

Back in the 50s would you have said: "Look guys, I'm not discussing this with you, we have laws against this and that's that"

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You're wrong, go back and read the post.

i see why no one takes you seriously in the comic book forum. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
facepalm

You really missed it, bro. There's not use in continuing this as I think you're just trolling, now.

So, I'm "stawmanning" by actually backing up my points? Odd. 😐

Yes serously you are. I could actually elaborate and explain in more detail. However I don't think I want to discuss this ubject any further....and its not because im frightened of getting owned.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why does that matter? When discussing the validity of a law, does it matter that it is in place already. Because we could come back with blacks can't marry whites. Something we hopefully both agree is wrong.

Back in the 50s would you have said: "Look guys, I'm not discussing this with you, we have laws against this and that's that"

Not that post the long one with all the swearing.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i see why no one takes you seriously in the comic book forum. 😐

Ok this getting stupid now. Stop making shit up and lying. Some people take me serioulsy some people dont. Wow now this topic has turned into what people think of me on the comics forum. facepalm Get a grip.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You're wrong, go back and read the post.

No, I really am not.

You have not given anything resembling a logical argument in this:

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look I can't f*king take this shit anymore because ive been holding this shit back for awhile.

No argument

It seems that some or maybe one person is arguing that even if he didn't rape the girl that its ok if the 13yr old gave consent. If thats the case you can **** off and go to hell.

No argument

Please dont give me any of the Greeks had sex with boys and they ended up alright bullshit that don't make it alright im pretty sure that women in ancient greece had their rights oppressed and they ended up 'alright' as well.

No argument. Just dismissal of a point that hasn't even been brought up

The fact of the matter is it was wrong and people can actually be convinced that something is wrong is right just because its the norm. We all ****ing know why its wrong for an adult to have sex with a 13yr old its a no-brainer and its not up for debate.

No argument, just "the fact is it is wrong", "We all know why it is wrong" "it's a no brainer, not up for debate"

Furthermore you know why kids are so obessesed about sex, its because sex gets shoved down your throat all the time. Im clearly not saying that sex is wrong and its en evil thing but as it stands in socitey people are more interesting in exploiting people than having compassion what the hell do you expect?

Totally unrelated point about societies obsession with sex

Anyway heres the bottom line ask Hitler what he thinks about genocide he'll tell you its ok, ask a scumbag what he thinks about having sex with 13 yrs olds and he'll say its ok.

No argument, just comparison to Hitler

Get that its-ok-if-she-gave-consent shit the f*k out of here, find the nearest skyscraper and jump the f*k off.

No argument

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bardock, after reading his last few posts, I'm convinced he's just trolling.

Don't feed the trolls, I guess.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i see why no one takes you seriously in the comic book forum. 😐

Yeah, that will help, lets fight ad hominem with ad hominem

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I really am not.

You have not given anything resembling a logical argument in this:

Brilliant. I could go into further detail but im not going to.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Brilliant. I could go into further detail but im not going to.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, that is a fair stance. I am just wondering why you even bother replying with one liners then. Especially to posts stating the truth about you not having brought an argument.

Heres the bottom line. The points could be expressed more coherently and in more detail. I don't think the points are bad but they need to be elaborated on.

I also don't think that the scientific scan proved anything neccesarily either. Its actually strawmanning and to be quite honest with you there are actually lots of ways of pointing out how that article doesn't nesscearily prove a god damn thing.

Really and truly its too much of a controversial and emotional subject for me to get into to. For that im not going to debate it in more detail.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Heres the bottom line. The points could be expressed more coherently and in more detail. I don't think the points are bad but they need to be elaborated on.

I also don't think that the scientific scan proved anything neccesarily either. Its actually strawmanning and to be quite honest with you there are actually lots of ways of pointing out how that article doesn't nesscearily prove a god damn thing.

Really and truly its too much of a controversial and emotional subject for me to get into to. For that im not going to debate it in more detail.

The problem is that there were no points on your side. The only thing you said is "it is wrong". Nothing else.

I think the article dadudemon posted is unrelated to the discussion we had anyways, he focussed on attraction. Your point, and mine, was about actual intercourse.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The problem is that there were no points on your side. The only thing you said is "it is wrong". Nothing else.

Again as I said in my earlier post, the points needed to be elaborated on.

Originally posted by Bardock42

I think the article dadudemon posted is unrelated to the discussion we had anyways, he focussed on attraction. Your point, and mine, was about actual intercourse.

*round of applause* Im also not going to take somebody serioulsy telling me that I have no point and im strawmanning when hes gone to the bother of posting a scan which isn't even related to what were discussing and doesnt even neccsarily prove anything.

The fact of the matter is could debate this in more detail but I don't want to.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again as I said in my earlier post, the points needed to be elaborated on.

[b]*round of applause* Im also not going to take somebody serioulsy telling me that I have no point and im strawmanning when hes gone to the bother of posting a scan which isn't even related to what were discussing and doesnt even neccsarily prove anything.

The fact of the matter is could debate this in more detail but I don't want to. [/B]

Okay, this is silly, we are going in circles. You seem to think that you have brought up some points that just need some more elaboration, I haven't seen the points, but I am not sure how we could ever convince each other.

You don't seem willing to debate either, so maybe we should just drop it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, this is silly, we are going in circles. You seem to think that you have brought up some points that just need some more elaboration, I haven't seen the points, but I am not sure how we could ever convince each other.

You don't seem willing to debate either, so maybe we should just drop it.

Obvously if you add more detail to points made it can make your point clearer, elobartion also involves making points that you haven't made previoulsy. I can see why you think I haven't made any points because of how I have expressed myself.

Yes I think we should drop it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Yes I think we should drop it.

Bunch of predators in here trying to reason why their own sexual urges towards underage little girls is okay. Gotta love the 'innernets', where's Chris ****ing Hansen when you need him.

Polanski is a pedo...should be imprisioned... period.