Thoughts on Polanski's arrest?

Started by Dresta14 pages

There's a lot of ignorance and misinformation in this thread, so i just thought i'd clear a few things up. Polanski pleaded guilty to only the charge of having sex with a minor, the prosecution accepted this because they knew the original charges would never stick.

Polanski had numerous evaluations and the recommendation was that he receive a sentence of probation only. The judge being a hardass and determined to maintain his reputation and cater to the press (which have always been out to get Polanski) was adamant that he receive at least some prison time. The only way he could do this without it being appealed was to send him for diagnostic testing for 90 days diagnostic—a series of psychological tests, and a thorough background check—and if the prison didn’t recommend any further time, the judge would abide by that recommendation.

However when this happened the judge didn't stick by what he said in an effort to screw Polanski over. The had been doing similar things throughout the proceedings and seemed to just enjoy the media attention. He was also heard saying in private something like 'i'm gonna put that foreign bastard away for life'.

So its quite understandable why Polanski left the country. The case should and probably will be dismissed.

Yes, we've done the wiki thing too.

The "judge was a hard-ass that was going to go back on his word" angle is nothing more than hearsay.

Polanski fleeing, thereby breaking his parole does away with any plea bargains/deals he had made. This is also another crime, as fact.

Why do you think this should just be dropped? Considering he pleaded guilty to at least one crime.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you think this should just be dropped? Considering he pleaded guilty to at least one crime.

well, if the justice system was biased against him... [sic]

thought: all black criminals should flee from America for 30 years, thus their crimes would be absolved, because the system was out to get them

Originally posted by inimalist
well, if the justice system was biased against him... [sic]

thought: all black criminals should flee from America for 30 years, thus their crimes would be absolved, because the system was out to get them

If there's any bias, it's pro him, as he went from a laundry list of crimes and bargained it down to one relatively minor offense. A slap on the wrist by comparison.

This "I fled because someone overheard the Judge say he was going to string me out" is unsupported, it basically comes down to Polanski saying so.

Guy was a total fool to do so, considering the break he had managed to pull off. It's more probable that he was affraid they'd find something else in his past he'd kept secret thus far, or the pysch test would have revealed a penchant for children. IMO, he just said "**** this, I'm going to France: and bailed like a cowardly bastard.

Originally posted by Robtard
If there's any bias, it's pro him, as he went from a laundry list of crimes and bargained it down to one relatively minor offense. A slap on the wrist by comparison.

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Guy was a total fool to do so, considering the break he had managed to pull off. It's more probable that he was affraid they'd find something else in his past he'd kept secret thus far, or the pysch test would have revealed a penchant for children.

no, I agree. There may be a point to the fact that, if the confession is not to be believed, it was consensual sex and the victim no longer wants the charges pressed, but that really doesn't explain any of his behaviour. Certainly doesn't excuse him running from the law.

Originally posted by Robtard
This "I fled because someone overheard the Judge say he was going to string me out" is unsupported, it basically comes down to Polanski saying so.

not to mention that this particular line of argument would be applicable to all people, indicating that we should support any gangster or otherwise who jumps the border, because the judge was going to string them out.

I wouldn't say dismissed, if that information Dresta says is true, I would said "misstrial" and carry the trial again.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I wouldn't say dismissed, if that information Dresta says is true, I would said "misstrial" and carry the trial again.

There's no need for a new trial, he pleaded bargained and pleaded guilty already to a crime. He should be held accountable for that, along with any time for breaking his parole and being a fugitive for 30-odd years.

Originally posted by Robtard
There's no need for a new trial, he pleaded bargained and pleaded guilty already to a crime. He should be held accountable for that, along with any time for breaking his parole and being a fugitive for 30-odd years.

If the sentencing or other such items were discovered to have been done in a biased manner against the defendent, the case would have to be reviewed again by another judge.

"Retrial" is the only word I could think of, at the time. There's another legal term for reviewing a case n'stuff...but I don't know what it is. Maybe Ush or Adam know.

Originally posted by Robtard
There's no need for a new trial, he pleaded bargained and pleaded guilty already to a crime. He should be held accountable for that, along with any time for breaking his parole and being a fugitive for 30-odd years.
Did you not read anything i said so i'll spell it out for you.

I most certainly have read the girl's testimony and the rest of the 239 page PDF document at http://www.talkleft.com/legal/polanskimotion.pdf. I've read other documents, too, and watched the movie. The medical report found NO evidence of any force being used. The girl admitted that she had had sex before and had tried Quaaludes aged ten or eleven, some three to four years earlier. The housekeeper in a witness statement said "...she only looked at the girl one time and thought she was approximately 18 years old and felt she was a girl trying to get into the movies. She also stated that Mr. Polanski and the girl acted as if they were lovers." (Verbatim from the above PDF)

She had already spent time alone with Polanski on previous occasions for photographic sessions. One person in the house at the time, stated: "She didn't appear to be distressed....she did not look like a scared little thing, you know...I don't feel basically that he [Polanski] would sodomize, forcibly sodomize and rape an unwilling girl...I have seen him as a man with compassion..."

And then the real kicker: "A request for a grand-jury hearing was made 'To avoid a circus-like atmosphere and allow the case to be presented with appropriate dignity and concern for the witnesses.'"

And yet a "circus-like atmosphere" is of the least concern to the authorities now!

We also know that neither the girl nor her mother wanted Polanski to do further jail time then and Mrs Geimer reiterated that she doesn't want him to serve jail time now, according to the LA Times on 27 Sep 2009:

"Geimer, now a mother of four, has said repeatedly and publicly that she thinks Polanski was treated unfairly and expressed a desire for the case to be resolved without prison time."

Primarily they only wanted him to express remorse. It may just be that the prosecution realised that it would not get all the charges to stick in a full trial and therefore the plea bargain was entered into. Given the degree to which the US judicial system now is completely ignoring the wishes of Mrs Geimer to drop the case, why would the prosecution back then have not thrown the book at Polanski if they could have won?

Then there are the on-camera admissions (in Wanted and Desired) that severe judicial misconduct ensued. Furthermore, the psychiatric report into Polanksi's behaviour recommended no further jail time. The deputy DA said it became obvious to him that the judge wanted Polanski deported, so that he was no longer around to embarrass the judge further. The defence later pointed out that the judge had no jurisdiction over matters regarding deportation and that it is illegal to impose an illegal condition on somebody serving time in custody, which, according to the defence attorney, was when actual illegal conduct (on the part of the judge) occurred.

When Polanski got wind of the stitch-up that the judge was planning, he fled. This did not surprise the defence. More to the point, it did not surprise the deputy district attorney, either.

The only thing Polanski plead guilty to was having consensual sex with a 13 year old. For which he was given a sentence and got completely screwed over. Its hardly like he fled at the first possible opportunity, he'd already been to Europe and back legally while on trial several times. Hardly the actions of a man wishing to 'escape justice'.

edit: and @ above, you are not going to get a retrial, because the victim or her family do not wish to take part.

Your link didn't work (not that it matters, I posted a copy of the trial in the opening post), so I didn't read further.

I did read the last paragraph, as my eye caught the word "screwed". His crimes were whittled down to one crime and he was given probation for this, this in no way is being "screwed".

Him fleeing and committing another crime is what is screwed and shows a lack of intelligence on his part.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your link didn't work (not that it matters, I posted a copy of the trial in the opening post), so I didn't read further.

I did read the last paragraph, as my eye caught the word "screwed". His crimes were whittled down to one crime and he was given probation for this, this in no way is being "screwed".

Him fleeing and committing another crime is what is screwed and shows a lack of intelligence on his part.

I don't know, he spend 30 years in freedom. Wasn't that bad from his POV I'd argue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know, he spend 30 years in freedom. Wasn't that bad from his POV I'd argue.

If he was never caught, then sure. He was though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If the sentencing or other such items were discovered to have been done in a biased manner against the defendent, the case would have to be reviewed again by another judge.

All black Americans in prison deserve this privilege as well, then

Originally posted by dadudemon
If the sentencing or other such items were discovered to have been done in a biased manner against the defendent, the case would have to be reviewed again by another judge.

"Retrial" is the only word I could think of, at the time. There's another legal term for reviewing a case n'stuff...but I don't know what it is. Maybe Ush or Adam know.

It's called an "appeal" I think. We call it revision in German as we differentiate between different types of "appeals".

Originally posted by Robtard
If he was never caught, then sure. He was though.
What is he, like 70? He spend the better parts of his life out of jail....

Originally posted by Bardock42
What is he, like 70? He spend the better parts of his life out of jail....

He was on probation and this "the judge was going to throw the book at me" isn't factual, it's all hearsay.

So the most likely scenario, he would have finished his probation and then been done with it, no jail time, no [receptive] anal-rape.

Originally posted by Robtard
He was on probation and this "the judge was going to throw the book at me" isn't factual, it's all hearsay.

So the most likely scenario, he would have finished his probation and then been done with it, no jail time, no [receptive] anal-rape.

Perhaps. It's all speculation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Perhaps. It's all speculation.

The only thing that's really speculation is the judge throwing the book at him. Granted, it could have happened(just as Jesus could come back), but it's unlikely; it's far more likely that he would have served out his probabtion and then been done.

Originally posted by Robtard
The only thing that's really speculation is the judge throwing the book at him. Granted, it could have happened(just as Jesus could come back), but it's unlikely; it's far more likely that he would have served out his probabtion and then been done.

Maybe, he obviously thought it safer to flee.

Originally posted by Robtard
The only thing that's really speculation is the judge throwing the book at him. Granted, it could have happened(just as Jesus could come back), but it's unlikely; it's far more likely that he would have served out his probabtion and then been done.

however, what is the "the judge was going to throw the book at me" argument actually arguing for?

Can you really get a mistrial because the judge gave you a legally acceptable sentence?